[Shotimes] OT - Preload on a LSD

Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:41:35 -0600

When the OEMs start installing the phantom grip I will take another look.
Until then be very wary....  
IIRC installation of the  SHO PG required removing the 2 two of the 4 
spider gears in the
stock differential...  Can anyone confirm this?  if so that alone would 
drop the torque handling
capacity of the tranny. 

Tim

Kirk Doucette wrote:

>Mike.... What are you talking about? You better go look at the rest of the
>world and see that these units installed properly work just fine. There are
>maybe 5-6 that have died in a SHO, why? Where did they all come from? Who
>installed them?
>
>This is the huge problem with this group, you all see what others go through
>but never ask why? Did you all know that there are two other places that
>install them?  One is highly recommended for the ATX trans, the other is a
>much lesser known place but as far as I know they have not had the problem.
>
>Also Sawun never had the rights to sell them, he was getting them out the
>back door of a place that was selling them, which means they all could have
>been defective to begin with for all anyone knows of, Plus his skill was
>never up to par to change plugs never mind install this unit..
>
>FYI IIRC there is a Super Charged ATX in TX that has this unit and no
>problems... last time I knew and heard from him anyways.
>
>The quailfe is the best way to go but there are other options that can work
>correctly, there is also in a book at my trans shop, there is a band that
>you can install around the pins to keep them from ejecting, and having a bit
>of service done on the trans as scheduled maintience can also prevent this
>from happening in some cases.  Because the roll pins get loose fall out and
>let the dif pin loose to do what it wants..
>
>If you want to point fingers at anything else but the qualife that's wrong!
>Point the finger at Parsley and his install methods of something he has no
>grasp of..   That's the problem with the Phantom grip in the SHO.
>
>If the Phantom grip was the issue you would see that they are going out of
>business, and not making newer ones for every car on the planet and having a
>pretty good success rate.
>
>Kirk J Doucette
>NESHOC President
>Stormtrooper-97 White
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
>Behalf Of Mike Kopstain
>Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 12:25 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - Preload on a LSD
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>  
>
>>Sounds like its a real clutch diff.  IPT advertised their diff as one,
>>but the clutch faces were the actual diff housings.
>>    
>>
>
>One has to wonder the level of engineering that went into this design.  I
>have the unit out of Shawn Pailey's old car sitting here and it's grenaded
>good.  I'm not sure how you could ever have built this and expected it to
>last.
>
>~ Mike
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Murray" <fordsho@cloud9grafx.com>
>To: "'Paul L Fisher'" <sho@paul-fisher.com>; "SHOTimes"
><shotimes@autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 10:45 AM
>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - Preload on a LSD
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>  
>
>>Sounds like its a real clutch diff.  IPT advertised their diff as one,
>>but the clutch faces were the actual diff housings.  A real one has many
>>plates with different textures on each side.  Depending on what side the
>>disks are touching eachother on, they grab eachother with the aid of the
>>diff fluid and prevent slipping.  Many aftermarket diffs for RWD imports
>>and some domestics are like this.  If you can buy new clutch disks for
>>your car, it might be a pretty good idea, just remember they do need to
>>be rebuilt after a certain amount of miles (~50k), but it depends on the
>>use it gets.  Research it some more first and make sure thats actually
>>what you are getting, and check and see what the actual diff life is and
>>how frequent the clutches need to be replaced and rebuilt.
>>
>>Bill Murray
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:sho@paul-fisher.com]
>>Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 10:23 AM
>>To: shotimes@autox.team.net; v8sho@v8sho.com
>>Subject: [Shotimes] OT - Preload on a LSD
>>
>>OK. My Jetta TDI has a LSD but it is very lightly set, something like
>>2%.
>>There are kits available that change the shims so that you can bump it
>>up to
>>40% or 80%. I am thinking of doing this but I don't want to toast my
>>diff.
>>Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is this how the Phantom grip
>>works?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Paul L Fisher
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