[Shotimes] OT - Preload on a LSD

[Kirk Doucette]

Mike.... What are you talking about? You better go look at the rest of the
world and see that these units installed properly work just fine. There are
maybe 5-6 that have died in a SHO, why? Where did they all come from? Who
installed them?

This is the huge problem with this group, you all see what others go through
but never ask why? Did you all know that there are two other places that
install them?  One is highly recommended for the ATX trans, the other is a
much lesser known place but as far as I know they have not had the problem.

Also Sawun never had the rights to sell them, he was getting them out the
back door of a place that was selling them, which means they all could have
been defective to begin with for all anyone knows of, Plus his skill was
never up to par to change plugs never mind install this unit..

FYI IIRC there is a Super Charged ATX in TX that has this unit and no
problems... last time I knew and heard from him anyways.

The quailfe is the best way to go but there are other options that can work
correctly, there is also in a book at my trans shop, there is a band that
you can install around the pins to keep them from ejecting, and having a bit
of service done on the trans as scheduled maintience can also prevent this
from happening in some cases.  Because the roll pins get loose fall out and
let the dif pin loose to do what it wants..

If you want to point fingers at anything else but the qualife that's wrong!
Point the finger at Parsley and his install methods of something he has no
grasp of..   That's the problem with the Phantom grip in the SHO.

If the Phantom grip was the issue you would see that they are going out of
business, and not making newer ones for every car on the planet and having a
pretty good success rate.

Kirk J Doucette
NESHOC President
Stormtrooper-97 White

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Mike Kopstain
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 12:25 PM
To: SHOTimes
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - Preload on a LSD

> Sounds like its a real clutch diff.  IPT advertised their diff as one,
> but the clutch faces were the actual diff housings.

One has to wonder the level of engineering that went into this design.  I
have the unit out of Shawn Pailey's old car sitting here and it's grenaded
good.  I'm not sure how you could ever have built this and expected it to
last.

~ Mike

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Murray" <fordsho@cloud9grafx.com>
To: "'Paul L Fisher'" <sho@paul-fisher.com>; "SHOTimes"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 10:45 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - Preload on a LSD


> Sounds like its a real clutch diff.  IPT advertised their diff as one,
> but the clutch faces were the actual diff housings.  A real one has many
> plates with different textures on each side.  Depending on what side the
> disks are touching eachother on, they grab eachother with the aid of the
> diff fluid and prevent slipping.  Many aftermarket diffs for RWD imports
> and some domestics are like this.  If you can buy new clutch disks for
> your car, it might be a pretty good idea, just remember they do need to
> be rebuilt after a certain amount of miles (~50k), but it depends on the
> use it gets.  Research it some more first and make sure thats actually
> what you are getting, and check and see what the actual diff life is and
> how frequent the clutches need to be replaced and rebuilt.
>
> Bill Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:sho@paul-fisher.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net; v8sho@v8sho.com
> Subject: [Shotimes] OT - Preload on a LSD
>
> OK. My Jetta TDI has a LSD but it is very lightly set, something like
> 2%.
> There are kits available that change the shims so that you can bump it
> up to
> 40% or 80%. I am thinking of doing this but I don't want to toast my
> diff.
> Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is this how the Phantom grip
> works?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul L Fisher
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