[Shotimes] 94 ATX no start, thoughts/suggestions?

[Mike Kopstain]

It's a bad ground... I told you to check ground. :-)

IF the IRMC is not grounded properly (whether at the frame or from the
battery) the fuel pump will not prime and the computer will not get power.

~ Mike

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com>
To: "'Kirk Doucette'" <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] 94 ATX no start, thoughts/suggestions?


> I'm not even getting a click from the fuel pump, that tied in with the
> computer's not wanting to talk to the code scanner tool make me think that
> it was something electrical. With a fuel filer plugged, the pump would
still
> cycle for a second when flipping the key correct?
>
>
>
> Bruce Malachuk
>
> 94 Opal Frost MTX
>
> 93 Green MTX winter beater
>
> 93 Black ATX stripped for spare parts
>
> 95 Sliver Frost SE (SLO) waiting for it's AX4S SHO tranny
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Kirk Doucette
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 1:00 AM
> To: Bruce Malachuk; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] 94 ATX no start, thoughts/suggestions?
>
> Change the fuel filter, with no service history at all that's what I would
> start with. The pump will shut its self off if it cant pump.
>
> Kirk J Doucette
> NESHOC President
> Stormtrooper-97 White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Bruce Malachuk
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:45 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Shotimes] 94 ATX no start, thoughts/suggestions?
>
> I'm trying to troubleshoot/fix a 94 ATX of some ppllocally I just met.
Seems
> the car had been running fine up till this point, ocassionally stalling
when
> first started up when cold, but nothing really earthshattering in the way
of
> problems. ITs female owned and driven and she doesn't seem the type to
beat
> on the car in the least. 141k miles, no 60k history, leaky waterpump, but
> the car has never stalled while running on the road. Soon as I can get the
> car started and running, it's slated for a front 60k, and then a few weeks
> later new plugs, wires, and checking the valve lash.
>
> Hooked up my auto x-ray, and the computer doesn't respond 9 times outta
10.
> The one time it responded it told me that it had 2 cylinders. So naturally
I
> said, hmm sounds like a computer issue, pulled my 93 ATX comp, that was
> known to work, and pop that in. Nothing, though I forgot my code scanner
at
> home. But no start regardless. Now duing the attempts to start it, I
noticed
> that I didn't hear the fuelpump priming, I get under the hood push the
> presure valve,gas squirts a little then has someone turn on the car and
> crank, no fuel squirting. So I think fuel pump or relay that controls the
> pump. I have pretty much ruled ou the pump it self, cause the car would
have
> started with the residual pressure that was in there, if the computer was
> responding.
>
> I'm now looking at the IRMC (if that is the correct term for the relay box
> under the emissions cover panel on the radiator support) I swaped that
with
> the one off my 94 MTX, and still nothing. Part numbers are the same except
> that my 94 had a F3D* and the one off thier ATX 94 had F1D* as the prefix.
> I've also checked every fuse on the car, cause they thought it might have
> been a fuse and I wanted to set that one to rest. So now I'm into
believing
> that there is something going on with the grounding to that relay module.
> I've only just begun learning and tracing wiring from my helms evtm to the
> actual cars. So I'm a little lost. Before I tackle that is there anything
I
> could be overlooking that someone might say "oh that happened to me, this
is
> what you need to do"?
>
> I really want to get this car running for her, I'd hate to see it go to a
> dealer round here, cause from those that I have talked to, they really
don't
> like seeing SHO's come in for work. I just fear that the car may end up in
a
> yard someplace if I can get it breathing again :-(
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Bruce
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