[Shotimes] OT : Apache hit

[Paul L Fisher]

The government wasn't happy that it was released. 

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Which then begs the question "Why would the military ever allow something
like that to be released to the media"?  It paints a pretty barbaric
picture.  The Iraqis weren't returning fire, and one of the wounded men was
oblierated.  That's the kind of thing that just throws fuel on the Bleeding
Hearts argument against war.

Again, I'm not taking any side here.  I'm just saying, this is the kind of
thing the government always wanted suppressed before.  I'm sur- prised it
was shown on National tv.


Mike Wojton
Toledo, Ohio

-'95 White MTX
   '96 Brake Upgrade

"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan




"Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com> wrote on 01/27/2004 10:50:33 AM:

> The video they played on the news, you heard them ask for permission
from
> either a ground controller or a command aircraft for permission to
engage
> and they were told to "Smoke them". 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
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> On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:23 AM
> To: Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
> 
> Never fails that I am the last to see what everyone saw a weeke ago :)
> 
> Mike, your points are well taken, but...
> 
> On your point one:  Remember the video of the Columbia coming down 
> last
year
> caught by an Apache camera that was "running" on the tarmac?  The
people's
> voices are clear and the helicopter was in audible.  I also believe 
> this
is
> consistent with other Apache video I have seen.
> 
> On your point two: They were Iraqis, and I am guessing weren't to
incredibly
> sure WHICH direction to go.
> 
> On your point three: And somebody correct me if I am wrong, but isn't
there
> normally a command helicopter that sits back a mile or so with a
commanding
> officer in most Apache "battlefield" operations?
> 
> Same site that hosts has an interesting breakdown of the vid 
> http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/apache.shtml
> 
> How the Iraqis have the balls to even think of messing with these
copters is
> beyond me.
> 
> -Sweeney
> 
> Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
> This has been going around work here lately. There's been some
discussion on
> what this actually is.
> 
> First my disclaimer: I know nothing about any military things.
> Particularly weapons or aircraft. Nor are my comments meant to "devalue" 
in
> any way the military. These are just my observa- tions.
> 
> 1. You can't hear the helicopter. I would think you could hear it a
little
> bit in the background. It's almost perfectly quiet in between the 
> voice transmissions. Except for the gun of course.
> 
> 2. After the first guy is hit, the other guys don't seem very 
> interested
in
> finding any cover. It's only the last guy who was hiding under the
truck.
> 
> 3. My first impression was that this is some kind of training thing. 
> The
guy
> shooting is taking total direction form some "guy in charge".
> 
> 
> Mike Wojton
> Toledo, Ohio
> 
> -'95 White MTX
> '96 Brake Upgrade
> 
> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 01/27/2004 08:17:31 AM:
> 
> > Don't know who these folks are, but they're bad day is over.
> > 
> > Warning: Gratuitous heat-image carnage
> > 
> > http://www.thecia.net/users/stewarte/apachehits.mpg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Sweeney
> > 
> > 
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