[Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
cmichaelo@optonline.net
cmichaelo@optonline.net
Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:38:42 -0500
Was it only shown on ABC? If the military released it, it would have been shown by many other stations.
I too can not understand why the military would release this kind of material. Especially in view of the fact that the viewers don't know the circumstances, the context, of why our troops kiiled these apparant criminals in cold blood. And so, it seems particularly unwise of the military to have released this particular footage in view of how barbaric it is.
Wrt noise cancelling. It's particularly easy to electronically cancel out a periodic and predictable "noise" source such as a rotor/turbine. It is much more difficult to cancel out true noise sources such as gun fire which occurs at random times.
Btw noise cancelling microphones cancel out ALL audio signals (noisy or not) which come from relatively stationary sources located "far" enough away, i.e., several feet away (though further away for lower frequencies). Actually, the signals don't get perfectly cancelled out, but they do get significantly suppressed.
Michael
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:10 am
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
> Which then begs the question "Why would the military ever allow
> something like that to be released to the media"? It paints a pretty
> barbaric picture. The Iraqis weren't returning fire, and one of
> the wounded men was oblierated. That's the kind of thing that
> just throws fuel on the Bleeding Hearts argument against war.
>
> Again, I'm not taking any side here. I'm just saying, this is the
> kindof thing the government always wanted suppressed before. I'm
> sur-
> prised it was shown on National tv.
>
>
> Mike Wojton
> Toledo, Ohio
>
> -'95 White MTX
> '96 Brake Upgrade
>
> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
>
>
>
>
> "Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com> wrote on 01/27/2004 10:50:33 AM:
>
> > The video they played on the news, you heard them ask for
> permission
> from
> > either a ground controller or a command aircraft for permission
> to
> engage
> > and they were told to "Smoke them".
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Scott
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:23 AM
> > To: Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
> >
> > Never fails that I am the last to see what everyone saw a weeke
> ago :)
> >
> > Mike, your points are well taken, but...
> >
> > On your point one: Remember the video of the Columbia coming
> down last
> year
> > caught by an Apache camera that was "running" on the tarmac?
> The
> people's
> > voices are clear and the helicopter was in audible. I also
> believe this
> is
> > consistent with other Apache video I have seen.
> >
> > On your point two: They were Iraqis, and I am guessing weren't
> to
> incredibly
> > sure WHICH direction to go.
> >
> > On your point three: And somebody correct me if I am wrong, but
> isn't
> there
> > normally a command helicopter that sits back a mile or so with a
> commanding
> > officer in most Apache "battlefield" operations?
> >
> > Same site that hosts has an interesting breakdown of the vid
> > http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/apache.shtml
> >
> > How the Iraqis have the balls to even think of messing with
> these
> copters is
> > beyond me.
> >
> > -Sweeney
> >
> > Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
> > This has been going around work here lately. There's been some
> discussion on
> > what this actually is.
> >
> > First my disclaimer: I know nothing about any military things.
> > Particularly weapons or aircraft. Nor are my comments meant to
> "devalue"
> in
> > any way the military. These are just my observa- tions.
> >
> > 1. You can't hear the helicopter. I would think you could hear
> it a
> little
> > bit in the background. It's almost perfectly quiet in between
> the voice
> > transmissions. Except for the gun of course.
> >
> > 2. After the first guy is hit, the other guys don't seem very
> interested
> in
> > finding any cover. It's only the last guy who was hiding under
> the
> truck.
> >
> > 3. My first impression was that this is some kind of training
> thing. The
> guy
> > shooting is taking total direction form some "guy in charge".
> >
> >
> > Mike Wojton
> > Toledo, Ohio
> >
> > -'95 White MTX
> > '96 Brake Upgrade
> >
> > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 01/27/2004 08:17:31 AM:
> >
> > > Don't know who these folks are, but they're bad day is over.
> > >
> > > Warning: Gratuitous heat-image carnage
> > >
> > > http://www.thecia.net/users/stewarte/apachehits.mpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Sweeney
> > >
> > >
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