[Shotimes] OT : Apache hit

[James F. Ryan III]

>barbaric picture.  The Iraqis weren't returning fire, and one of
>the wounded men was oblierated.  That's the kind of thing that
>just throws fuel on the Bleeding Hearts argument against war.


And what about the U.S. soldiers who are attacked and killed while driving
down the road in a truck?  It seems like that story is on the news everyday.

Shooting back or not, if you're wearing a military uniform, holding a gun,
or riding on or standing near a military vehicle - be ready to play the
game.  That goes for both sides.



James F. Ryan III


>-----Original Message-----
>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
>Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
>Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:11 AM
>To: shotimes@autox.team.net
>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
>
>
>Which then begs the question "Why would the military ever allow
>something like that to be released to the media"?  It paints a pretty
>barbaric picture.  The Iraqis weren't returning fire, and one of
>the wounded men was oblierated.  That's the kind of thing that
>just throws fuel on the Bleeding Hearts argument against war.
>
>Again, I'm not taking any side here.  I'm just saying, this is the kind
>of thing the government always wanted suppressed before.  I'm sur-
>prised it was shown on National tv.
>
>
>Mike Wojton
>Toledo, Ohio
>
>-'95 White MTX
>   '96 Brake Upgrade
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>"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
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>"Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com> wrote on 01/27/2004 10:50:33 AM:
>
>> The video they played on the news, you heard them ask for permission
>from
>> either a ground controller or a command aircraft for permission to
>engage
>> and they were told to "Smoke them".
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Scott
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:23 AM
>> To: Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
>>
>> Never fails that I am the last to see what everyone saw a weeke ago :)
>>
>> Mike, your points are well taken, but...
>>
>> On your point one:  Remember the video of the Columbia coming down last
>year
>> caught by an Apache camera that was "running" on the tarmac?  The
>people's
>> voices are clear and the helicopter was in audible.  I also believe this
>is
>> consistent with other Apache video I have seen.
>>
>> On your point two: They were Iraqis, and I am guessing weren't to
>incredibly
>> sure WHICH direction to go.
>>
>> On your point three: And somebody correct me if I am wrong, but isn't
>there
>> normally a command helicopter that sits back a mile or so with a
>commanding
>> officer in most Apache "battlefield" operations?
>>
>> Same site that hosts has an interesting breakdown of the vid
>> http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/apache.shtml
>>
>> How the Iraqis have the balls to even think of messing with these
>copters is
>> beyond me.
>>
>> -Sweeney
>>
>> Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
>> This has been going around work here lately. There's been some
>discussion on
>> what this actually is.
>>
>> First my disclaimer: I know nothing about any military things.
>> Particularly weapons or aircraft. Nor are my comments meant to "devalue"
>in
>> any way the military. These are just my observa- tions.
>>
>> 1. You can't hear the helicopter. I would think you could hear it a
>little
>> bit in the background. It's almost perfectly quiet in between the voice
>> transmissions. Except for the gun of course.
>>
>> 2. After the first guy is hit, the other guys don't seem very interested
>in
>> finding any cover. It's only the last guy who was hiding under the
>truck.
>>
>> 3. My first impression was that this is some kind of training thing. The
>guy
>> shooting is taking total direction form some "guy in charge".
>>
>>
>> Mike Wojton
>> Toledo, Ohio
>>
>> -'95 White MTX
>> '96 Brake Upgrade
>>
>> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 01/27/2004 08:17:31 AM:
>>
>> > Don't know who these folks are, but they're bad day is over.
>> >
>> > Warning: Gratuitous heat-image carnage
>> >
>> > http://www.thecia.net/users/stewarte/apachehits.mpg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Sweeney
>> >
>> >
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