[Shotimes] OT : Apache hit

Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:51:30 -0500

Now, see, you're trying to slant my comments.  Haven't you been
reading my disclaimers?  All I'm saying is: when you see the video
only, without any background information like from the ABC article,
the situation looks completely different.

Mike Wojton
Toledo, Ohio

-'95 White MTX
   '96 Brake Upgrade

"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan

"James F. Ryan III" <av8r567@optonline.net> wrote on 01/27/2004 03:18:26 
PM:

> >barbaric picture.  The Iraqis weren't returning fire, and one of
> >the wounded men was oblierated.  That's the kind of thing that
> >just throws fuel on the Bleeding Hearts argument against war.
> 
> 
> And what about the U.S. soldiers who are attacked and killed while 
driving
> down the road in a truck?  It seems like that story is on the news 
everyday.
> 
> Shooting back or not, if you're wearing a military uniform, holding a 
gun,
> or riding on or standing near a military vehicle - be ready to play the
> game.  That goes for both sides.
> 
> 
> 
> James F. Ryan III
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> >[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
> >Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:11 AM
> >To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> >Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
> >
> >
> >Which then begs the question "Why would the military ever allow
> >something like that to be released to the media"?  It paints a pretty
> >barbaric picture.  The Iraqis weren't returning fire, and one of
> >the wounded men was oblierated.  That's the kind of thing that
> >just throws fuel on the Bleeding Hearts argument against war.
> >
> >Again, I'm not taking any side here.  I'm just saying, this is the kind
> >of thing the government always wanted suppressed before.  I'm sur-
> >prised it was shown on National tv.
> >
> >
> >Mike Wojton
> >Toledo, Ohio
> >
> >-'95 White MTX
> >   '96 Brake Upgrade
> >
> >"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com> wrote on 01/27/2004 10:50:33 AM:
> >
> >> The video they played on the news, you heard them ask for permission
> >from
> >> either a ground controller or a command aircraft for permission to
> >engage
> >> and they were told to "Smoke them".
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> >[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> >> On Behalf Of Scott
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:23 AM
> >> To: Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
> >>
> >> Never fails that I am the last to see what everyone saw a weeke ago 
:)
> >>
> >> Mike, your points are well taken, but...
> >>
> >> On your point one:  Remember the video of the Columbia coming down 
last
> >year
> >> caught by an Apache camera that was "running" on the tarmac?  The
> >people's
> >> voices are clear and the helicopter was in audible.  I also believe 
this
> >is
> >> consistent with other Apache video I have seen.
> >>
> >> On your point two: They were Iraqis, and I am guessing weren't to
> >incredibly
> >> sure WHICH direction to go.
> >>
> >> On your point three: And somebody correct me if I am wrong, but isn't
> >there
> >> normally a command helicopter that sits back a mile or so with a
> >commanding
> >> officer in most Apache "battlefield" operations?
> >>
> >> Same site that hosts has an interesting breakdown of the vid
> >> http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/apache.shtml
> >>
> >> How the Iraqis have the balls to even think of messing with these
> >copters is
> >> beyond me.
> >>
> >> -Sweeney
> >>
> >> Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
> >> This has been going around work here lately. There's been some
> >discussion on
> >> what this actually is.
> >>
> >> First my disclaimer: I know nothing about any military things.
> >> Particularly weapons or aircraft. Nor are my comments meant to 
"devalue"
> >in
> >> any way the military. These are just my observa- tions.
> >>
> >> 1. You can't hear the helicopter. I would think you could hear it a
> >little
> >> bit in the background. It's almost perfectly quiet in between the 
voice
> >> transmissions. Except for the gun of course.
> >>
> >> 2. After the first guy is hit, the other guys don't seem very 
interested
> >in
> >> finding any cover. It's only the last guy who was hiding under the
> >truck.
> >>
> >> 3. My first impression was that this is some kind of training thing. 
The
> >guy
> >> shooting is taking total direction form some "guy in charge".
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Wojton
> >> Toledo, Ohio
> >>
> >> -'95 White MTX
> >> '96 Brake Upgrade
> >>
> >> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 01/27/2004 08:17:31 AM:
> >>
> >> > Don't know who these folks are, but they're bad day is over.
> >> >
> >> > Warning: Gratuitous heat-image carnage
> >> >
> >> > http://www.thecia.net/users/stewarte/apachehits.mpg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Sweeney
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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