[Shotimes] OT : Apache hit

[Shylo McKinsey]

I almost jumped on that, but Mike is right. That is
what's tearing this country apart folks. Those who
blame others and slander everything everone says. My
father was over there, albiet in Bahrain, but as far
as I'm concerned its the same thing. We were lucky to
get him back before Christmas, but many other families
didn't get their loved ones back for the holidays. 

Shylo McKinsey

'91 White MTX

--- Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
> Now, see, you're trying to slant my comments. 
> Haven't you been
> reading my disclaimers?  All I'm saying is: when you
> see the video
> only, without any background information like from
> the ABC article,
> the situation looks completely different.
> 
> 
> Mike Wojton
> Toledo, Ohio
> 
> -'95 White MTX
>    '96 Brake Upgrade
> 
> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "James F. Ryan III" <av8r567@optonline.net> wrote on
> 01/27/2004 03:18:26 
> PM:
> 
> > >barbaric picture.  The Iraqis weren't returning
> fire, and one of
> > >the wounded men was oblierated.  That's the kind
> of thing that
> > >just throws fuel on the Bleeding Hearts argument
> against war.
> > 
> > 
> > And what about the U.S. soldiers who are attacked
> and killed while 
> driving
> > down the road in a truck?  It seems like that
> story is on the news 
> everyday.
> > 
> > Shooting back or not, if you're wearing a military
> uniform, holding a 
> gun,
> > or riding on or standing near a military vehicle -
> be ready to play the
> > game.  That goes for both sides.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > James F. Ryan III
> > 
> > 
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > >[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf
> Of
> > >Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:11 AM
> > >To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > >Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
> > >
> > >
> > >Which then begs the question "Why would the
> military ever allow
> > >something like that to be released to the media"?
>  It paints a pretty
> > >barbaric picture.  The Iraqis weren't returning
> fire, and one of
> > >the wounded men was oblierated.  That's the kind
> of thing that
> > >just throws fuel on the Bleeding Hearts argument
> against war.
> > >
> > >Again, I'm not taking any side here.  I'm just
> saying, this is the kind
> > >of thing the government always wanted suppressed
> before.  I'm sur-
> > >prised it was shown on National tv.
> > >
> > >
> > >Mike Wojton
> > >Toledo, Ohio
> > >
> > >-'95 White MTX
> > >   '96 Brake Upgrade
> > >
> > >"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >"Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com> wrote on
> 01/27/2004 10:50:33 AM:
> > >
> > >> The video they played on the news, you heard
> them ask for permission
> > >from
> > >> either a ground controller or a command
> aircraft for permission to
> > >engage
> > >> and they were told to "Smoke them".
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > >[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > >> On Behalf Of Scott
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:23 AM
> > >> To: Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com;
> shotimes@autox.team.net
> > >> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
> > >>
> > >> Never fails that I am the last to see what
> everyone saw a weeke ago 
> :)
> > >>
> > >> Mike, your points are well taken, but...
> > >>
> > >> On your point one:  Remember the video of the
> Columbia coming down 
> last
> > >year
> > >> caught by an Apache camera that was "running"
> on the tarmac?  The
> > >people's
> > >> voices are clear and the helicopter was in
> audible.  I also believe 
> this
> > >is
> > >> consistent with other Apache video I have seen.
> > >>
> > >> On your point two: They were Iraqis, and I am
> guessing weren't to
> > >incredibly
> > >> sure WHICH direction to go.
> > >>
> > >> On your point three: And somebody correct me if
> I am wrong, but isn't
> > >there
> > >> normally a command helicopter that sits back a
> mile or so with a
> > >commanding
> > >> officer in most Apache "battlefield"
> operations?
> > >>
> > >> Same site that hosts has an interesting
> breakdown of the vid
> > >> http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/apache.shtml
> > >>
> > >> How the Iraqis have the balls to even think of
> messing with these
> > >copters is
> > >> beyond me.
> > >>
> > >> -Sweeney
> > >>
> > >> Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
> > >> This has been going around work here lately.
> There's been some
> > >discussion on
> > >> what this actually is.
> > >>
> > >> First my disclaimer: I know nothing about any
> military things.
> > >> Particularly weapons or aircraft. Nor are my
> comments meant to 
> "devalue"
> > >in
> > >> any way the military. These are just my
> observa- tions.
> > >>
> > >> 1. You can't hear the helicopter. I would think
> you could hear it a
> > >little
> > >> bit in the background. It's almost perfectly
> quiet in between the 
> voice
> > >> transmissions. Except for the gun of course.
> > >>
> > >> 2. After the first guy is hit, the other guys
> don't seem very 
> interested
> > >in
> > >> finding any cover. It's only the last guy who
> was hiding under the
> > >truck.
> > >>
> > >> 3. My first impression was that this is some
> kind of training thing. 
> The
> > >guy
> > >> shooting is taking total direction form some
> "guy in charge".
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mike Wojton
> > >> Toledo, Ohio
> > >>
> > >> -'95 White MTX
> > >> '96 Brake Upgrade
> > >>
> > >> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > >>
> 
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