[Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown

Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:30:22 -0700 (PDT)

That's the navy for ya. ;-)

You are right about F1. I am not trying to say
anything against it. I'd rather watch F1 over NASCAR
anyday (and mind you, I have to be nice to NASCAR, the
gf's dad is a lifer). All in all, I just like working
on older, big block V8's. I think they sound good, I
think they look cool, and regardless of how the newer
engines feel when you put your foot through the
firewall, the big V8's still feel the best.

Well...IMHO...of course...

Shylo McKinsey

'91 White MTX
--- Jason Hartberger <at3hartberger@mail.com> wrote:
> I guess what I'm trying to say is... wow, I've spent
> an hour trying various
> responses; but I guess the simplest way to say it is
> - F1 has always used a
> V6, NASCRAP has (and I'm not sure of early history,
> but) always used a V8.
> F1 has always been more about taking a vehicle and
> an engine and taking it
> to its maximum technological extremes, whereas
> NASCRAP has... well, I'm not
> going to [try to]  flare *that* argument up agian,
> but it's been about
> taking a stock car and racing it. True, nascrap
> engines are pretty damn
> advanced, but they're still basically tuned V8s. I'd
> like to see a nascar
> engine go up to, what is it, 18K? 20K rpm?
> 
> Also, America's strategy for getting more horsepower
> out of an engine seems
> to be tacking on more cylinders and making them
> bigger, not improving the
> design of the cylinders or spark plug location or
> valve size/position or any
> of those things. European motors, moch more
> constrained in size by taxes,
> fuel prices, and the such, focus more on extracting
> more horsepower per
> cubic inch (centimeter!). I personally find this a
> much more attractive
> solution; I've always held finesse over raw power; I
> think it's... idunno,
> sexier... or something.
> 
> And now, as I finally see the line about ten paces
> behind me, I'll stop, but
> i have made my point. I think.
> 
> Jason "yes, I do spend way too much time in an
> enclosed space with other
> men" hartberger
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
> To: "Jason Hartberger" <at3hartberger@mail.com>
> Cc: <gr8sho@adelphia.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown
> 
> 
> > I'm not sure what you mean by that comparison. 
> Yes america is where the
> > V8 was born, but europe is predominanty a 4
> cylinder continent.  But when
> > it comes to high end racing, there were plenty of
> 12 cylinder motors in
> > europe, my favorite being the Ferrari 12 cylinder
> boxer.
> >
> > BTW, there is a story about how closely tied to
> america the V8 is.  The
> > story goes that FIAT decided they wanted to build
> a V8 engine, but for
> > fear of being sued by american companies, they
> called their engine 8V for
> > 8 cylinders in V (configuration) instead of V8.  I
> can translate that into
> > italian if you're interested.
> > -- 
> > Cheers,
> > Carl Prochilo
> > 92 Ultra Red Crimson
> >
> > On Sat, July 10, 2004 1:17 pm, Jason Hartberger
> said:
> > > well that just sucks... I've always associated
> V6 = european, V8 =
> > > american.
> > > The analogy of course being finesse and
> extracting more power per
> cylinder
> > > rather than just throwing more cylinders on it
> and making the cylinders
> > > bigger to get more power. I never did like that.
> I've always felt that
> > > making a better piston design and more efficient
> engines was always
> better
> > > than smashing a fly with a buick as far as
> engine sizes go. One more
> > > reason
> > > I highly prefer F1 over NASCRAP.
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Carl Prochilo"
> <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
> > > To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 12:05 PM
> > > Subject: [Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=56918
> > >>
> > >> If you like your screaming 3.0L 1000hp V10
> engines, better watch the
> > >> races
> > >> for next year and a half because starting in
> 2006 the teams will be
> > >> racing
> > >> 2.4L V8s.  The catalyst for the move up in
> timetable by 2 years
> > >> presumably
> > >> is due to the near fatal accident of Ralf
> Schumacher at Indy.  The
> > >> impact
> > >> was approximately 78Gs in force and broke his
> back despite wearing the
> > >> HANS device.
> > >> At Silverstone, the cars are now turning in lap
> times of 3 seconds
> > >> faster
> > >> than last year, so the continuing development
> of this technology
> > >> continues
> > >> at a rapid pace.
> > >> --
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Carl Prochilo
> > >> 92 Ultra Red Crimson
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