[Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown

[Carl Prochilo]

Jason,  You must be thinking of something else.  I don't ever remember F1
using V6 motors.  12, 10 or 8 cylinders as far back as I can remember. 
Now, the number of cylinders per displacement has always been something
that the series does have to its advantage.  Prior to the current 3 litre
formula, I believe they were running 3.5 litres and also permitted turbo
charging.  There is no doubt that F1 is a technology oriented outfit. 
Nascar is more about being a spec controlled series.

NASCAR does appeal to a lot of people and they can't all be wrong.  I do
enjoy watching those cars run on road courses, but that is really a token
gesture on their part because the series is really built around oval
racing.  About the engines.  Those V8s are no slouches.  You can argue
about the fact that they use carburators instead of electronically
controlled fuel injection, but when I hear those motors are putting out
over 900 HP, that is a pretty impressive accomplishment.  American made,
too.
-- 
Cheers,
Carl Prochilo
92 Ultra Red Crimson

On Sat, July 10, 2004 4:20 pm, Jason Hartberger said:
> I guess what I'm trying to say is... wow, I've spent an hour trying
> various
> responses; but I guess the simplest way to say it is - F1 has always used
> a
> V6, NASCRAP has (and I'm not sure of early history, but) always used a V8.
> F1 has always been more about taking a vehicle and an engine and taking it
> to its maximum technological extremes, whereas NASCRAP has... well, I'm
> not
> going to [try to]  flare *that* argument up agian, but it's been about
> taking a stock car and racing it. True, nascrap engines are pretty damn
> advanced, but they're still basically tuned V8s. I'd like to see a nascar
> engine go up to, what is it, 18K? 20K rpm?
>
> Also, America's strategy for getting more horsepower out of an engine
> seems
> to be tacking on more cylinders and making them bigger, not improving the
> design of the cylinders or spark plug location or valve size/position or
> any
> of those things. European motors, moch more constrained in size by taxes,
> fuel prices, and the such, focus more on extracting more horsepower per
> cubic inch (centimeter!). I personally find this a much more attractive
> solution; I've always held finesse over raw power; I think it's... idunno,
> sexier... or something.
>
> And now, as I finally see the line about ten paces behind me, I'll stop,
> but
> i have made my point. I think.
>
> Jason "yes, I do spend way too much time in an enclosed space with other
> men" hartberger
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
> To: "Jason Hartberger" <at3hartberger@mail.com>
> Cc: <gr8sho@adelphia.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown
>
>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by that comparison.  Yes america is where the
>> V8 was born, but europe is predominanty a 4 cylinder continent.  But
>> when
>> it comes to high end racing, there were plenty of 12 cylinder motors in
>> europe, my favorite being the Ferrari 12 cylinder boxer.
>>
>> BTW, there is a story about how closely tied to america the V8 is.  The
>> story goes that FIAT decided they wanted to build a V8 engine, but for
>> fear of being sued by american companies, they called their engine 8V
>> for
>> 8 cylinders in V (configuration) instead of V8.  I can translate that
>> into
>> italian if you're interested.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Carl Prochilo
>> 92 Ultra Red Crimson
>>
>> On Sat, July 10, 2004 1:17 pm, Jason Hartberger said:
>> > well that just sucks... I've always associated V6 = european, V8 =
>> > american.
>> > The analogy of course being finesse and extracting more power per
> cylinder
>> > rather than just throwing more cylinders on it and making the
>> cylinders
>> > bigger to get more power. I never did like that. I've always felt that
>> > making a better piston design and more efficient engines was always
> better
>> > than smashing a fly with a buick as far as engine sizes go. One more
>> > reason
>> > I highly prefer F1 over NASCRAP.
>> >
>> > Jason
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
>> > To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
>> > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 12:05 PM
>> > Subject: [Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown
>> >
>> >
>> >> http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=56918
>> >>
>> >> If you like your screaming 3.0L 1000hp V10 engines, better watch the
>> >> races
>> >> for next year and a half because starting in 2006 the teams will be
>> >> racing
>> >> 2.4L V8s.  The catalyst for the move up in timetable by 2 years
>> >> presumably
>> >> is due to the near fatal accident of Ralf Schumacher at Indy.  The
>> >> impact
>> >> was approximately 78Gs in force and broke his back despite wearing
>> the
>> >> HANS device.
>> >> At Silverstone, the cars are now turning in lap times of 3 seconds
>> >> faster
>> >> than last year, so the continuing development of this technology
>> >> continues
>> >> at a rapid pace.
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Carl Prochilo
>> >> 92 Ultra Red Crimson
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