[Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown

[Paul L Fisher]

F1 has been V10's for a while now.


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-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jason Hartberger
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:20 PM
To: gr8sho@adelphia.net
Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown

I guess what I'm trying to say is... wow, I've spent an hour trying various
responses; but I guess the simplest way to say it is - F1 has always used a
V6, NASCRAP has (and I'm not sure of early history, but) always used a V8.
F1 has always been more about taking a vehicle and an engine and taking it
to its maximum technological extremes, whereas NASCRAP has... well, I'm not
going to [try to]  flare *that* argument up agian, but it's been about
taking a stock car and racing it. True, nascrap engines are pretty damn
advanced, but they're still basically tuned V8s. I'd like to see a nascar
engine go up to, what is it, 18K? 20K rpm?

Also, America's strategy for getting more horsepower out of an engine seems
to be tacking on more cylinders and making them bigger, not improving the
design of the cylinders or spark plug location or valve size/position or any
of those things. European motors, moch more constrained in size by taxes,
fuel prices, and the such, focus more on extracting more horsepower per
cubic inch (centimeter!). I personally find this a much more attractive
solution; I've always held finesse over raw power; I think it's... idunno,
sexier... or something.

And now, as I finally see the line about ten paces behind me, I'll stop, but
i have made my point. I think.

Jason "yes, I do spend way too much time in an enclosed space with other
men" hartberger


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
To: "Jason Hartberger" <at3hartberger@mail.com>
Cc: <gr8sho@adelphia.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown


> I'm not sure what you mean by that comparison.  Yes america is where the
> V8 was born, but europe is predominanty a 4 cylinder continent.  But when
> it comes to high end racing, there were plenty of 12 cylinder motors in
> europe, my favorite being the Ferrari 12 cylinder boxer.
>
> BTW, there is a story about how closely tied to america the V8 is.  The
> story goes that FIAT decided they wanted to build a V8 engine, but for
> fear of being sued by american companies, they called their engine 8V for
> 8 cylinders in V (configuration) instead of V8.  I can translate that into
> italian if you're interested.
> -- 
> Cheers,
> Carl Prochilo
> 92 Ultra Red Crimson
>
> On Sat, July 10, 2004 1:17 pm, Jason Hartberger said:
> > well that just sucks... I've always associated V6 = european, V8 =
> > american.
> > The analogy of course being finesse and extracting more power per
cylinder
> > rather than just throwing more cylinders on it and making the cylinders
> > bigger to get more power. I never did like that. I've always felt that
> > making a better piston design and more efficient engines was always
better
> > than smashing a fly with a buick as far as engine sizes go. One more
> > reason
> > I highly prefer F1 over NASCRAP.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
> > To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 12:05 PM
> > Subject: [Shotimes] OT: F1 Slowdown
> >
> >
> >> http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=56918
> >>
> >> If you like your screaming 3.0L 1000hp V10 engines, better watch the
> >> races
> >> for next year and a half because starting in 2006 the teams will be
> >> racing
> >> 2.4L V8s.  The catalyst for the move up in timetable by 2 years
> >> presumably
> >> is due to the near fatal accident of Ralf Schumacher at Indy.  The
> >> impact
> >> was approximately 78Gs in force and broke his back despite wearing the
> >> HANS device.
> >> At Silverstone, the cars are now turning in lap times of 3 seconds
> >> faster
> >> than last year, so the continuing development of this technology
> >> continues
> >> at a rapid pace.
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >> Carl Prochilo
> >> 92 Ultra Red Crimson
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