[Shotimes] OT - Bastards did it again

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Ian,
With all due respect, where are you getting this persecution complex?  I
have never heard anyone say they blame ALL muslims for the terrorist
attacks.  No one is blaming the Arabic people you work with of
being/supporting terrorism. 

However, if you think only a small minority of the muslims in the Middle
East agree with the terrorists then you are mistaken. Several polls have
shown widespread support for Bin Laden.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/08/poll.binladen/


Outside of the aristocracy, there is no widespread denouncing of
terrorist acts.  Most notably from the clerics, who do far more to
incite violence than to condemn it.  When the American civilians were
burned and mutilated in Fuluja, the local clerics denounced the act of
mutilating dead bodies, but would not condemn the killing itself.

Somehow I doubt if thousands of Iranian civilians were killed there
would be Americans flooding the streets dancing in celebration.

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian Fisher
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 5:52 PM
To: Paul L Fisher; v8sho@v8sho.com; 'TaurusSHO'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - Bastards did it again

I wish that I had saved the following quote so I could
repeat it verbatim and give credit to the source.
Regardless, it was from someone high up in the Saudi
government. It was something like:

"Most Arabs realize that the horrific actions of the
American soldiers in Abu Graib are not indicative of
all American people. However it seems that most
Americans cannot seperate the actions of the
terrorists of 9/11 from those of the rest of the Arabs
around the world."

I think the message is clear and well said. While I
also feel a great deal of sadness for Paul Johnson and
his family (who also lived about 30 min. away-I used
to pass his employer, Lockeed Martin every other day)
it is not doing anyone any good to act like these
terrible actions are supported by everyone in the
Middle East.

Spreading unconfirmed/unsubstantiated quotes is only
adding to the endless cycle of hostility. The
Saudis/Arabs that I deal with at work, who pump my
gas, see at the grocery store; I don't think they want
to kill me because of what happened in Abu Graib.

I also don't understand this insensitivity towards all
of the prisoners. I didn't see pictures of anyone
wearing panties on their heads but I did see naked
prisoners being forced into oral sex on another men.
This is in a culture where being nude in front of
someone is so demeaning, let alone being raped by
others.

FWIW. I was hoping that this thread wouldn't explode
on the list but I find it hard to keep my mouth shut
on some of these topics. I am sure someone else was
going to respond anyway. Either way we should probably
keep it offlist?

Ian


--- Paul L Fisher <sho@paul-fisher.com> wrote:
> They beheaded that hostage in Saudi Arabia.
> 
> I love this quote from a Saudi citizen "How can we
> turn in our brothers when
> we see what is going on in Abu Graib?"
> 
> Once again, women's panties on head DOES NOT EQUAL
> beheading.
> 
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