[Shotimes] OT - Bastards did it again

[Shylo McKinsey]

Careful people. We don't want some idiot moderator in
here. 

And with the hostage killing today, alot of the Muslim
world denounced them. One group in Mecca went so far
as to saying that they won't get into heaven.

I've said my two or three cents. Yes it was a horrible
thing, and I just about posted something about it
before Paul did, but lets keep the rest of this
offline. Or we might start pissing people off for no
reason, when the REAL reason for this list is our
love/hate relationship with our POS's...uh...I
mean...cars. ;-)

Shylo (I hate moderators) McKinsey

'91 White MTX

--- Clift <clift@chartertn.net> wrote:
> Ian,
> With all due respect, where are you getting this
> persecution complex?  I
> have never heard anyone say they blame ALL muslims
> for the terrorist
> attacks.  No one is blaming the Arabic people you
> work with of
> being/supporting terrorism. 
> 
> However, if you think only a small minority of the
> muslims in the Middle
> East agree with the terrorists then you are
> mistaken. Several polls have
> shown widespread support for Bin Laden.
>
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/08/poll.binladen/
> 
> 
> Outside of the aristocracy, there is no widespread
> denouncing of
> terrorist acts.  Most notably from the clerics, who
> do far more to
> incite violence than to condemn it.  When the
> American civilians were
> burned and mutilated in Fuluja, the local clerics
> denounced the act of
> mutilating dead bodies, but would not condemn the
> killing itself.
> 
> Somehow I doubt if thousands of Iranian civilians
> were killed there
> would be Americans flooding the streets dancing in
> celebration.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Ian Fisher
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 5:52 PM
> To: Paul L Fisher; v8sho@v8sho.com; 'TaurusSHO'
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - Bastards did it again
> 
> I wish that I had saved the following quote so I
> could
> repeat it verbatim and give credit to the source.
> Regardless, it was from someone high up in the Saudi
> government. It was something like:
> 
> "Most Arabs realize that the horrific actions of the
> American soldiers in Abu Graib are not indicative of
> all American people. However it seems that most
> Americans cannot seperate the actions of the
> terrorists of 9/11 from those of the rest of the
> Arabs
> around the world."
> 
> I think the message is clear and well said. While I
> also feel a great deal of sadness for Paul Johnson
> and
> his family (who also lived about 30 min. away-I used
> to pass his employer, Lockeed Martin every other
> day)
> it is not doing anyone any good to act like these
> terrible actions are supported by everyone in the
> Middle East.
> 
> Spreading unconfirmed/unsubstantiated quotes is only
> adding to the endless cycle of hostility. The
> Saudis/Arabs that I deal with at work, who pump my
> gas, see at the grocery store; I don't think they
> want
> to kill me because of what happened in Abu Graib.
> 
> I also don't understand this insensitivity towards
> all
> of the prisoners. I didn't see pictures of anyone
> wearing panties on their heads but I did see naked
> prisoners being forced into oral sex on another men.
> This is in a culture where being nude in front of
> someone is so demeaning, let alone being raped by
> others.
> 
> FWIW. I was hoping that this thread wouldn't explode
> on the list but I find it hard to keep my mouth shut
> on some of these topics. I am sure someone else was
> going to respond anyway. Either way we should
> probably
> keep it offlist?
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> --- Paul L Fisher <sho@paul-fisher.com> wrote:
> > They beheaded that hostage in Saudi Arabia.
> > 
> > I love this quote from a Saudi citizen "How can we
> > turn in our brothers when
> > we see what is going on in Abu Graib?"
> > 
> > Once again, women's panties on head DOES NOT EQUAL
> > beheading.
> > 
> > Paul L Fisher
> > 
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