[Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting

[James F. Ryan III]

>Your 91 doesn't have a solenoid.  Hence the starter relay on the fender...


ALL starters have a solenoid.  That's what allows the starter motor
driveshaft & starter gear to extend and engage with the flywheel gear.

However, some starters have the "high-current relay" mounted on the fender
and some have it mounted on the starter itself.  That's the only difference.

The fender-mounted doo-hickey is NOT the solenoid, it's the "solenoid
RELAY", "high-current relay", "starter realy" or if you prefer, "solenoid
switch".  Even the starter motor mfrs incorrectly call it a solenoid.  The
solenoid is INSIDE the starter motor.  Your engine would never start if the
solenoid was located elsewhere.



James F. Ryan III


>-----Original Message-----
>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of kerbyh@netzero.net
>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:57 PM
>To: vanOss@centurytel.net
>Cc: jkoper@frankgates.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting
>
>
>Your 91 doesn't have a solenoid.  Hence the starter relay on the fender...
>
>Could be a bad starter Bendix(late 60's Ford were notorious for
>that) or there is enough goop inside the starter to hinder the
>engaging mechanism which uses the magnetic field of windings to activate.
>
>Kerby 'still on his original untouched starter' Haltom
>
>-- "van Oss" <vanOss@centurytel.net> wrote:
>I think my 91's behavior might be similar to what Jim is asking about.
>Sometimes the first time I turn the key, I will hear the high-pitched sound
>of the starter motor turning, but it is not meshed to the
>flywheel.  Usually
>on the second try, the engine starts normally.  I interpret this as a weak
>starter solenoid.
>
>VO
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Koper Jim" <jkoper@frankgates.com>
>To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:40 AM
>Subject: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting
>
>
>Thanks to those that have offered their advice so far, but I think I didn't
>word the problem correctly.
>
>To clarify, the engine turns over slowly but does not catch. The
>starter has
>that high 'whir' sound--it does not seem to engage the  flywheel
>at all. The
>portion of the flywheel I could see with the starter removed was
>not missing
>any teeth, so wouldn't the (new) starter engage OK? If the starter is good
>but the flywheel bad, would the engine even turn at all? That's
>why I wonder
>if maybe the DIS or coil are bad. I gotta remember to check if the
>fuel pump
>is priming at KOEO.
>
>
><Original post below for those who wish to contribute:>
>
>My '92 SHO is exhibiting a no-start behavior. I went to start it the other
>day and it didn't quite catch after I released the ignition key. It was a
>solid crank. "No big deal", I thought, "I'll try again." The second time I
>tried it I heard an electric whirring sound, similar to when a starter is
>bench tested. I figured the armature gear was not engaging the
>flywheel. The
>starter was 4 years old (Ford reman), so I yanked it and put an Advanced
>Auto Parts reman starter on the car. SAME WHIRRING SOUND occurred, so the
>starter does not appear to be the weak link.
>
>A few observations:
>
>When the starter is whirring, I noticed the serpentine belt was turning,
>though slower than what I'd think a normal crank would produce.
>
>The engine does not catch now, but does turn.
>
>Complete 60K done in summer 02 (10K miles ago). Timing belt,
>camshaft sensor
>and crankshaft sensor replaced at that time.
>
>New plugs and wires recently.
>
>Until this happened, it always cranked solidly.
>
>Any ideas? Would the DIS be bad? Ignition switch on its way out? Fuel
>injection concerns? I want to pull the timing belt cover to verify
>the belts
>OK.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Jim Koper
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