[Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting

[Kerby Haltom]

That's sort of true.  If you look at every US Ford 12V starter up to about 
'92 you will notice the lack of an external solenoid.  Every other starter 
I have ever seen has an external solenoid.  The first time I saw a GM 
starter, I asked what the hell that thing was mounted to it?  It was the 
solenoid.  Yes that thing on the fender is a relay.  When I said Joseph 
didn't have a solenoid, I was referring to the fact that he ain't gonna 
just replace the solenoid, like you can on a 93+ SHO.  The entire starter 
will need to be replaced or rebuilt.

Kerby 'been replacing Ford starters since I was 10' Haltom

At 04:37 PM 3/3/04 -0500, James F. Ryan III wrote:
> >Your 91 doesn't have a solenoid.  Hence the starter relay on the fender...
>
>
>ALL starters have a solenoid.  That's what allows the starter motor
>driveshaft & starter gear to extend and engage with the flywheel gear.
>
>However, some starters have the "high-current relay" mounted on the fender
>and some have it mounted on the starter itself.  That's the only difference.
>
>The fender-mounted doo-hickey is NOT the solenoid, it's the "solenoid
>RELAY", "high-current relay", "starter realy" or if you prefer, "solenoid
>switch".  Even the starter motor mfrs incorrectly call it a solenoid.  The
>solenoid is INSIDE the starter motor.  Your engine would never start if the
>solenoid was located elsewhere.
>
>
>
>James F. Ryan III
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> >[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of kerbyh@netzero.net
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:57 PM
> >To: vanOss@centurytel.net
> >Cc: jkoper@frankgates.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting
> >
> >
> >Your 91 doesn't have a solenoid.  Hence the starter relay on the fender...
> >
> >Could be a bad starter Bendix(late 60's Ford were notorious for
> >that) or there is enough goop inside the starter to hinder the
> >engaging mechanism which uses the magnetic field of windings to activate.
> >
> >Kerby 'still on his original untouched starter' Haltom
> >
> >-- "van Oss" <vanOss@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >I think my 91's behavior might be similar to what Jim is asking about.
> >Sometimes the first time I turn the key, I will hear the high-pitched sound
> >of the starter motor turning, but it is not meshed to the
> >flywheel.  Usually
> >on the second try, the engine starts normally.  I interpret this as a weak
> >starter solenoid.
> >
> >VO
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Koper Jim" <jkoper@frankgates.com>
> >To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:40 AM
> >Subject: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting
> >
> >
> >Thanks to those that have offered their advice so far, but I think I didn't
> >word the problem correctly.
> >
> >To clarify, the engine turns over slowly but does not catch. The
> >starter has
> >that high 'whir' sound--it does not seem to engage the  flywheel
> >at all. The
> >portion of the flywheel I could see with the starter removed was
> >not missing
> >any teeth, so wouldn't the (new) starter engage OK? If the starter is good
> >but the flywheel bad, would the engine even turn at all? That's
> >why I wonder
> >if maybe the DIS or coil are bad. I gotta remember to check if the
> >fuel pump
> >is priming at KOEO.
> >
> >
> ><Original post below for those who wish to contribute:>
> >
> >My '92 SHO is exhibiting a no-start behavior. I went to start it the other
> >day and it didn't quite catch after I released the ignition key. It was a
> >solid crank. "No big deal", I thought, "I'll try again." The second time I
> >tried it I heard an electric whirring sound, similar to when a starter is
> >bench tested. I figured the armature gear was not engaging the
> >flywheel. The
> >starter was 4 years old (Ford reman), so I yanked it and put an Advanced
> >Auto Parts reman starter on the car. SAME WHIRRING SOUND occurred, so the
> >starter does not appear to be the weak link.
> >
> >A few observations:
> >
> >When the starter is whirring, I noticed the serpentine belt was turning,
> >though slower than what I'd think a normal crank would produce.
> >
> >The engine does not catch now, but does turn.
> >
> >Complete 60K done in summer 02 (10K miles ago). Timing belt,
> >camshaft sensor
> >and crankshaft sensor replaced at that time.
> >
> >New plugs and wires recently.
> >
> >Until this happened, it always cranked solidly.
> >
> >Any ideas? Would the DIS be bad? Ignition switch on its way out? Fuel
> >injection concerns? I want to pull the timing belt cover to verify
> >the belts
> >OK.
> >
> >Thanks in advance!
> >
> >Jim Koper
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