[Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting
Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:29:12 -0500
The solenoid HAS to be in the starter. It's what kicks the gear out
to engage the flywheel or flexplate. The relay, on the other hand,
can be anywhere. Moving it off of the starter gets it away from
exhaust heat. Heat can be bad.
Mike Wojton
Toledo, Ohio
-'95 White MTX
'96 Brake Upgrade
"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 03/04/2004 09:13:07 AM:
> I thought that Gen 1s had the solenoid on the fender rail and that Gen
2s
> got the new starter design with the solenoid integrated into the starter
> itself. At least that's the way my 92 is. It still has the original
> starter, now almost 12 years old and 206K miles on it.
> --
> Cheers,
> Carl Prochilo
> 1992 Ultra Red Crimson
>
> Kirk Doucette said:
> > My 91 does, its mounted to the drivers fender rail :)
> >
> > Anyway....... Anyone ever do a nice write up on converting over to
the Gen
> > 2 Style starter in a Gen 1? Ive seen a few done but they are all
pretty
> > messy.
> >
> > Kirk J Doucette
> > NESHOC President
> > Stormtrooper-97 White
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> > Behalf Of kerbyh@netzero.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:57 PM
> > To: vanOss@centurytel.net
> > Cc: jkoper@frankgates.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not
starting
> >
> > Your 91 doesn't have a solenoid. Hence the starter relay on the
fender...
> >
> > Could be a bad starter Bendix(late 60's Ford were notorious for that)
or
> > there is enough goop inside the starter to hinder the engaging
mechanism
> > which uses the magnetic field of windings to activate.
> >
> > Kerby 'still on his original untouched starter' Haltom
> >
> > -- "van Oss" <vanOss@centurytel.net> wrote:
> > I think my 91's behavior might be similar to what Jim is asking about.
> > Sometimes the first time I turn the key, I will hear the high-pitched
sound
> > of the starter motor turning, but it is not meshed to the flywheel.
Usually
> > on the second try, the engine starts normally. I interpret this as a
weak
> > starter solenoid.
> >
> > VO
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Koper Jim" <jkoper@frankgates.com>
> > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:40 AM
> > Subject: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting
> >
> >
> > Thanks to those that have offered their advice so far, but I think I
didn't
> > word the problem correctly.
> >
> > To clarify, the engine turns over slowly but does not catch. The
starter has
> > that high 'whir' sound--it does not seem to engage the flywheel at
all. The
> > portion of the flywheel I could see with the starter removed was not
missing
> > any teeth, so wouldn't the (new) starter engage OK? If the starter is
good
> > but the flywheel bad, would the engine even turn at all? That's why I
wonder
> > if maybe the DIS or coil are bad. I gotta remember to check if the
fuel pump
> > is priming at KOEO.
> >
> >
> > <Original post below for those who wish to contribute:>
> >
> > My '92 SHO is exhibiting a no-start behavior. I went to start it the
other
> > day and it didn't quite catch after I released the ignition key. It
was a
> > solid crank. "No big deal", I thought, "I'll try again." The second
time I
> > tried it I heard an electric whirring sound, similar to when a starter
is
> > bench tested. I figured the armature gear was not engaging the
flywheel. The
> > starter was 4 years old (Ford reman), so I yanked it and put an
Advanced
> > Auto Parts reman starter on the car. SAME WHIRRING SOUND occurred, so
the
> > starter does not appear to be the weak link.
> >
> > A few observations:
> >
> > When the starter is whirring, I noticed the serpentine belt was
turning,
> > though slower than what I'd think a normal crank would produce.
> >
> > The engine does not catch now, but does turn.
> >
> > Complete 60K done in summer 02 (10K miles ago). Timing belt, camshaft
sensor
> > and crankshaft sensor replaced at that time.
> >
> > New plugs and wires recently.
> >
> > Until this happened, it always cranked solidly.
> >
> > Any ideas? Would the DIS be bad? Ignition switch on its way out? Fuel
> > injection concerns? I want to pull the timing belt cover to verify the
belts
> > OK.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Jim Koper
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