[Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting

[Carl Prochilo]

I thought that Gen 1s had the solenoid on the fender rail and that Gen 2s
got the new starter design with the solenoid integrated into the starter
itself.  At least that's the way my 92 is.  It still has the original
starter, now almost 12 years old and 206K miles on it.
-- 
Cheers,
Carl Prochilo
1992 Ultra Red Crimson

Kirk  Doucette said:
> My 91 does, its mounted to the drivers fender rail :)
>
> Anyway.......   Anyone ever do a nice write up on converting over to the Gen
> 2 Style starter in a Gen 1? Ive seen a few done but they are all pretty
> messy.
>
> Kirk J Doucette
> NESHOC President
> Stormtrooper-97 White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of kerbyh@netzero.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:57 PM
> To: vanOss@centurytel.net
> Cc: jkoper@frankgates.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting
>
> Your 91 doesn't have a solenoid.  Hence the starter relay on the fender...
>
> Could be a bad starter Bendix(late 60's Ford were notorious for that) or
> there is enough goop inside the starter to hinder the engaging mechanism
> which uses the magnetic field of windings to activate.
>
> Kerby 'still on his original untouched starter' Haltom
>
> -- "van Oss" <vanOss@centurytel.net> wrote:
> I think my 91's behavior might be similar to what Jim is asking about.
> Sometimes the first time I turn the key, I will hear the high-pitched sound
> of the starter motor turning, but it is not meshed to the flywheel.  Usually
> on the second try, the engine starts normally.  I interpret this as a weak
> starter solenoid.
>
> VO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Koper Jim" <jkoper@frankgates.com>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:40 AM
> Subject: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting
>
>
> Thanks to those that have offered their advice so far, but I think I didn't
> word the problem correctly.
>
> To clarify, the engine turns over slowly but does not catch. The starter has
> that high 'whir' sound--it does not seem to engage the  flywheel at all. The
> portion of the flywheel I could see with the starter removed was not missing
> any teeth, so wouldn't the (new) starter engage OK? If the starter is good
> but the flywheel bad, would the engine even turn at all? That's why I wonder
> if maybe the DIS or coil are bad. I gotta remember to check if the fuel pump
> is priming at KOEO.
>
>
> <Original post below for those who wish to contribute:>
>
> My '92 SHO is exhibiting a no-start behavior. I went to start it the other
> day and it didn't quite catch after I released the ignition key. It was a
> solid crank. "No big deal", I thought, "I'll try again." The second time I
> tried it I heard an electric whirring sound, similar to when a starter is
> bench tested. I figured the armature gear was not engaging the flywheel. The
> starter was 4 years old (Ford reman), so I yanked it and put an Advanced
> Auto Parts reman starter on the car. SAME WHIRRING SOUND occurred, so the
> starter does not appear to be the weak link.
>
> A few observations:
>
> When the starter is whirring, I noticed the serpentine belt was turning,
> though slower than what I'd think a normal crank would produce.
>
> The engine does not catch now, but does turn.
>
> Complete 60K done in summer 02 (10K miles ago). Timing belt, camshaft sensor
> and crankshaft sensor replaced at that time.
>
> New plugs and wires recently.
>
> Until this happened, it always cranked solidly.
>
> Any ideas? Would the DIS be bad? Ignition switch on its way out? Fuel
> injection concerns? I want to pull the timing belt cover to verify the belts
> OK.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jim Koper
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