[Shotimes] (OT) Re: NASCAR numbnuts

[James F. Ryan III]

>I disagree, a sprint car in dirt isn't even close to rally 
>driving, you're still flying around a track that only turns 
>one direction.  It's like one long power drift in ONE 
>direction with NO reversals.

Also, there's no elevation changes or blind corners in dirt track
racing.



>-----Original Message-----
>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net 
>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Noah South III
>Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:52 PM
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>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Re: NASCAR numbnuts
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net 
>> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Nunnally
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:04 PM
>> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT) Re: NASCAR numbnuts
>> Left turns are easy.  Left turns hanging it on the ragged 
>edge lap after
>> lap
>> aren't.  Please, show of hands here from those who comment 
>"it's not hard"
>> who have been on an oval, while on a lap timer, headed off 
>into a corner
>> at
>> well over triple digits with a concrete wall in your face.  
>Trust me, it's
>> hard.
>>
>> I'd much rather be on a road course but I've been on enough ovals to 
>> know it's tough to go really quick lap after lap, taking 
>care of your 
>> stuff and not burning the RF tire off it, hitting your marks, etc.
>
>Sure it's hard, but it doesn't compare to WRC, not even in the 
>slightest.  I would pay money to watch a NASCAR boy try flying 
>around a cliff edge in the snow at 65mph in a power drift.
> 
>> Don't forget a lot of the NASCAR guys come from (winning) 
>800 hp 1100 
>> sprint cars on dirt.  If you can drive one of those fast, you can 
>> drive anything fast.  Jimmie Johnson and R. Gordon both raced (or 
>> raced) off road trucks on
>> dirt, most of those guys come from all different series, 
>they are plenty
>> skilled.  The NASCAR ranks are littered with driver's of similar
>> backgrounds, plenty of skill, regardless of if you like the 
>series or not.
>
>I disagree, a sprint car in dirt isn't even close to rally 
>driving, you're still flying around a track that only turns 
>one direction.  It's like one long power drift in ONE 
>direction with NO reversals.  When I was younger my father and 
>my friends father were both into racing big time.  In fact my 
>friends dad was one of the top cart drivers in Venezuela many 
>years ago.  I got drug to outlaw and sprint racing all the 
>time, and I hated it.  The only thing exciting was when people 
>crashed, otherwise it was REALLY boring.  I never said these 
>guys lacked skill, they have plenty of skill in racing the 
>same track over and over again.  Remember, I said it doesn't 
>take driving skill for a varied environment to drive NASCAR, 
>because you're on the same track ALL the time, no change.
>
>Trust me, take an oval track driver that thinks he's hot shit 
>and toss him into any stage in the WRC and he'll most likely 
>kill himself and his navigator due to lack of driving skill in 
>a varied environment.  There is no consistency in WRC, you go 
>from point A to point B and that's it.  You don't sit there 
>and drive the exact same course with the exact same lines over 
>and over again.
>
>Putting the shoe on the other foot, I would bet money that a 
>WRC driver could hop into NASCAR and with less than 10 laps 
>would be able to hang with the best of them.  Sounds like a 
>great idea for a new Reality TV series actually.
>
>
>> You've obviously never been on a track in any car related 
>race event, 
>> as you'll soon learn it's more than just jumping in a seat 
>and putting 
>> in a fast lap.  It's consistency, and including being able to do all 
>> the above. There is a lot involved in racing than driver skill, and 
>> it's the good teams and driver's who do ALL of the things well, that 
>> are champions and winners.
>
>Well I WAS talking about the videogame, and the reason it 
>sucked is because there wasn't much to do IN the game as far 
>as driving other than turn left a lot.  All racing videogames 
>that involve laps (NOT WRC GAMES) are about consistency, 
>pulling the consistent low lap times.  I must have put nearly 
>100hrs into GT3, so trust me, I understand the need for 
>consistency in racing games.
>
>I was trying to make an allegory to the fact that all NASCAR 
>racing games suck because the real skill in driving NASCAR is 
>not the ability to follow your line, but being able to handle 
>a extremely powerful vehicle at high speed, inches away from 
>other vehicles.  That's just not something that's possible to 
>simulate with a videogame.  Like I said, they're skilled in 
>what they do, but not at driving in varied driving 
>environments.  I'm not trying to lessen the job they do as 
>much as I am trying to make the point that you can NOT compare 
>NASCAR to WRC.  Maybe I was wrong to say that NASCAR isn't 
>"Real Racing," but if NASCAR is "Real Racing" then what the 
>HELL is Rally driving?
>
>-Noah South II
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