[Shotimes] Enough with the OT: Beheading, Crusades, etc.

[Ian Fisher]

Paul
You once said that if someone broke into your home and
you had the opportunity to shoot and kill him, you
would not. I don't understand how you can have that
mentality in that one instance but yet you change your
mind radically when it comes to society. Now it seems
that you have an "eye for an eye mentality". 

Do you think that Spain has a scoreboard listing
"terrorists 1, Spain 0" ? Do you think that they care?
It was a conflict that they really didn't belong in,
weren't doing much in (yes, they did support whatever
we are actually doing overseas...not really sure on
that part yet since our so purpose seems to change
depending on who is on the hot seat on Capitol Hill on
any given day) yet suffered great loss because of it.
One of the huge differences between the US and the
rest of the world is that (in recent times) we will
start fighting and keep fighting even if we have lost
sight of the original reason behind fighting. For some
reason we feel that we will be deemed "weak" in the
rest of the world's eyes. In reality we are seen as
stupid ignorant cowboys because of it. Spain never
lost sight of what they were doing or not doing and
pulled out when the time was right. For that I applaud
them. Meanwhile I have friends that are overseas who
are risking their lives on a daily basis while many of
their fellow soldiers are committing suicide because
of stress and policies that are created by people that
are far detached from the situation. This war was
supposedly over a year ago but there is fighting
everyday. I think that everyone is getting frazzled
and wants to see a resolution sometime soon. Whatever
we were doing in the past is obviously not working
now.

my 2 cents...

Ian


> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com>
> To: "'Jason Hartberger'" <at3hartberger@mail.com>;
> "'SHOtimes'"
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 5:25 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Enough with the OT:
> Beheading, Crusades, etc.
> 
> 
> > Not to start another tangent, but think of Spain
> pulling out of Iraq. They
> > don't realize that the terrorists won!
> >
> >
> > Paul L Fisher
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Jason Hartberger
> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:12 PM
> > To: Kirk Doucette; Mike; SHOtimes
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Enough with the OT:
> Beheading, Crusades, etc.
> >
> > You know, the sad thing is, you're right. Most
> people don't give a rat's
> ass
> > about anything that doesn't directly affect them.
> The only problem is,
> these
> > people are often not smart enough to realize that
> a great deal more
> affects
> > them than they realize. The worst part is, the
> problem is much more
> > pronounced in the navy. Man, if I could only tell
> you... if it doesn't get
> > you promoted, and it doesn't get you a medal, they
> just don't wanna hear
> > about it... bah! stupid people! *stabs all stupid
> people*
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Kirk Doucette" <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>
> > To: "Jason Hartberger" <at3hartberger@mail.com>;
> "Mike" <srfdude@cox.net>;
> > "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 5:00 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Enough with the OT:
> Beheading, Crusades, etc.
> >
> >
> > > When it affects them directly..
> > >
> > >
> > > Kirk J Doucette
> > > NESHOC President
> > > Stormtrooper-97 White
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> > > Behalf Of Jason Hartberger
> > > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 12:25 PM
> > > To: Mike; SHOtimes
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Enough with the OT:
> Beheading, Crusades, etc.
> > >
> > > How about those of us that have given up our
> entire LIVES to the ENTIRE
> > > FRIGGIN' COUNTRY, not just one selective group
> of people dedicated to
> the
> > > overthrow and defeat of another (hmm... sounds
> like.... crusades,
> > anybody?)
> > > Shylo? you in on this? Jesus, people, when are
> you going to realize
> > there's
> > > more out there than your own little bubbles?
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mike" <srfdude@cox.net>
> > > To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 12:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Enough with the OT:
> Beheading, Crusades, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > (snip here too)
> > > > > By the way I'm only taking shit from
> Republicans that have given as
> > much
> > > > money to the GOP that I have to the DNC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > >
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