[Shotimes] Pontiac unveils SHO successor?

[Donald Mallinson]

Scott,

I could reverse this and ask you to present pages of force 
vector data for your side.

The point is that extra mass cancels out any possible 
friction advantage in ultra low traction situations.

Even in the dry, race cars shoot for LESS mass for maximum 
traction rather than the other way.  When it is all said and 
done, that alone proves the main point I am making.  IF it 
were otherwise, then race cars would be getting more porky 
instead of the other way around.  Simply put, weight on the 
contact patch does not create enough extra fricion to 
overcome the mass that must be accelerated.

I don't need and won't try to come up with the 
math/equations to prove this since it is being proven every 
day on the race track.  IN the dry AND on ice/snow.

Ever see a crown Vic rally car?  I didn't think so.

:)

Don Mallinson

Scott Krietemeyer wrote:

> Don:
> 
> The Force vectors are for you to develop to prove you have any terra
> firma to be standing on.  Don't call "myth" and not show me some
> data....  Everything else we can / have reason out and already have,
> but this will be left unresolved without data from your camp.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:17:09 -0600, Donald Mallinson <dmall@mwonline.net> wrote:
> 
>>Same old advice, but based mostly on having the sand to put
>>down when needed.
>>
>>Go ahead with the force vectors if you want.  :)
>>
>>
>>
>>Don Mallinson
>>
>>Scott Krietemeyer wrote:
>>
>>>Valvoline covers it as well....
>>>
>>>http://www.valvoline.com/carcare/articleviewer.asp?pg=ccr20011201wp
>>>
>>>Maybe you should send it on it to "mythbusters" and maybe they will do
>>>slalom tests with and without weight to see when the vehicle has the
>>>best slalom speed which would really indicate the "safest and most
>>>controllable"  Braking would require another test....
>>>
>>>Before you call it a myth I suggest you have force vectors plotted out
>>>to back it up taking all facets into consideration.
>>>
>>>I do agree about having whatever is there secured in place...
>>>
>>>Scott