[Shotimes] Codes 176 & 214

[Russ M.]

  Mike,

  I'd replace the O2 sensors first and see if the codes go away before
suspecting fuel injectors.   Only once have I found another problem
when troubleshooting O2 sensor codes...usually new sensors are all that
is needed to solve the problem.   The 4-wire sensors of the 3.2L seem
to not last quite as long as the 3-wire 3.0L for whatever reason.  
Most 3.2L I've had with 150K-200K are on their third set (including
originals).   I've found it rare for them to fail at the same time;   a
code for one bank usually indicates that one failed sensor.
  You can just replace the one in question (even with a good used one
temporarily for troubleshooting),  or switch the existing sensors and
see if you then get a code for the other bank,  etc.
  The rear 3.2L O2 sensor isn't that difficult to replace if you attack
from above,  front isn't a problem.

  Russ
  http://home.earthlink.net/~rcm_automotive/
  http://stores.ebay.com/RCM-Automotive-Taurus-SHO-Parts






--- Mike Bruce <shoitoff@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hmmm...I wonder if I might have a leak at the butterfly to short
> runner
> connection since my light comes on when the secondaries have been
> open.
> I'll try loosening the clamps and rotating the couplers.  I know
> they're
> factory original.  Do you think I should be okay for a month or so
> until
> the next time I plan to have the intake apart?
> 
> I guess it could be a weak fuel injector as well.  They are original
> too.  The car has 116,000 miles on it.  It is cheap enough to have
> injectors cleaned; maybe I'll spring for fresh injectors.


> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 8:45 PM
> To: Mike Bruce; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Codes 176 & 214
> 
> If the code is on just one bank there is something wrong there.  Bad
> FI
> or 
> vacuum leak?
> 
> 214 might be the cam sensor.
> 
> Paul Nimz
> '97 TR
> '93 EG mtx
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Bruce" <shoitoff@verizon.net>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 1997 6:32 PM
> Subject: [Shotimes] Codes 176 & 214
> 
> 
> > Hey all!
> >
> > Within the past few weeks (since the weather has gotten colder), my
> 93
> > ATX has started showing the CEL.  While driving normally, under 2/3
> > throttle, I get no light.  I do get a light for a couple minutes
> after
> > spirited driving.  Usually, the light appears about 5 to 10 seconds
> > after resuming a safe, sane, driving style.  I can get the light on
> the
> > freeway, and twisty back roads.  All that seems to matter is that
> the
> > secondaries are open.
> >
> > After pulling codes, I get 176(left bank o2 sensor lean), and
> 214(CID
> > circuit failure).  I get the same codes after resetting the
> computer
> and
> > driving for a few days.
> >
> > The car is a SHOshop stage 2 car with a Dynomax cat-back.  I have a
> D4U1
> > with a generically tuned LPM.  Both o2 sensors have less than 3
> years
> on
> > them.  I have not noticed any loss of power or any other problems. 
> If
> > it weren't for the light, I would think the car was operating
> > perfectly(aside from the leaky cam seal).  I plan on replacing the
> cam
> > seals when I install +20 cams.  Speaking of the leaky cam seal,
> which
> I
> > think may be the one on the cam position sensor, could the leak be
> > fouling the CID sensor and setting the code?
> >
> > About the 176 code.  I know the chip is not set perfectly for my
> car
> and
> > will need to be tuned after cams.  Would it be possible that a poor
> tune
> > would cause an erratic A/F ratio coming off load to set a code and
> > illuminate the CEL?
> >
> > If you've read all that, thank you.  I eagerly anticipate your
> replies.
> >
> > Mike Bruce
> > 93 ATX
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