On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:35:42 -0700 (PDT), Ian Fisher wrote: > I just don't like the ES series.. Yep...I've thought they missed the mark with the styling on the ones since '02 or so, especially with the grille. They sort of remind me of the grin on the little Chevron toy cars. The back is OK, but the older ES models were a lot nicer looking in the front. George