[Shotimes] NASCAR... was New Jersey... was: Subarus and stuff

[Ron Porter]

Also in NASCAR's defense (although I am not really a fan)...........

FWIW, I like doorslammers over open-wheel, and road courses over ovals.
Therefore the most BORING acing to me is CART (or whatever it's
called)/IRL-type stuff. It's a toss-up between F1 and NASCAR for the boredom
factor, but I have to give a slight nod to NASCAR because they (1) pass each
other regularly, and (2) bump each other occasionally. Now, NASCAR should
run more road courses.....

The sports car stuff is the best to watch, IMHO, but you have to search
through Speed's listing to find it.

To me NASCAR is no more of a 'spec" series than any other racing series with
rules. I agree with Robert, getting big old pushrod engines to turn 9K+ rpm
for miles on end, with those heavy cars approaching 200 mph is no mean
feat!!

And, NASCAR has some drivers with personality!!

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Robert Bruce
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:55 AM
To: 'V6 SHOtimes''
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] NASCAR... was New Jersey... was: Subarus and stuff

Oh good grief, catch up to the times. NASCAR hasn't done that since the mid
50's.  Even when they still had the "stock body" rules
in the 70's and early 80's, none of the cars actually had oem bodies.
Besides, they do have a division for showroom stockcars
already.  It's called the Grand AM Cup Series.  Yes, the Grand Am group and
Rolex Sports Car Series are owned by NASCAR.  

I will agree that NASCARs two top level series have become boring and
sterile.  The extreme sponsorship dollars being pumped into
the race teams allows lots of cash for development (cheating).  NASCAR sees
the best way to control it is by strict rules controls.
Unfortunately this doesn't permit use of more modern parts and the teams are
stuck with carbs, late 60s Chevy pickup rear
suspensions and 65 Chevy front suspensions.  On the positive side, teams
have refined these parts to remarkable performance.

I have been involved in racing for many years.  That includes several years
with a Busch/Winston Cup team as a part-time traveling
mechanic.  Those that beat down the series as antiquated most likely haven't
had the opportunity to REALLY learn what is involved in
building those cars.  Yes, they are very heavy and use parts that were first
developed decades ago, but the technology evolution of
these cars is remarkable.

If you don't like the Cup or Busch series, NASCAR has 10 other divisions
racing at nearly 100 tracks around the country to choose
from.

Bob Bruce
92 w/ a mod or two 

 
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From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Kerby Haltom
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:26 PM
To: 'bjshov8'; 'V6 SHOtimes''
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] NASCAR... was New Jersey... was: Subarus and stuff

Exactly.

Kerby

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On Behalf Of bjshov8
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:51 PM
To: V6 SHOtimes'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] NASCAR... was New Jersey... was: Subarus and stuff

I still think they should be required to buy them off the showroom floor,
and start with the stock engine block and heads.



> I saw pictures of that "car".  This ties back  to a street car how?
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