[Shotimes] Delrin subframe bushings

[Ron Porter]

There ain't no free lunch. To make crisper response, those things will also
increase NVH. Personally, if I did nothing else, I would use AL SFBs, as the
elimination of subframe movement and the steering response are well worth
the trade-off (which I found to be more than acceptable, anyway).

I know that you used to live in NY, but frankly, the worst road in FL is
probably close to a very good road here in MI, condition-wise.

Most SHO owners never had the SHO when it was new, and many of who did
probably forgot how it felt. I do believe that totally rebuilding the
suspension with stock pieces, then updating the wheels/tires to something
wider (wheels) and with a slightly lower profile with a new sticky tire,
would be exactly what most people are looking for.

Ron Porter

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On Behalf Of Carl Prochilo
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:09 AM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Delrin subframe bushings

I don't think that everyone that makes suspension upgrades is doing so
with the notion of only getting at that last 5% of handling performance
under white knuckle driving.  You constantly repeat this.  Some people
want to feel more a more responsive handling car, crisp steering, etc. 
Sure it's nice too for those times the car gets on the track.  My 92 has
been on Road Atlanta once too.
I believe there is a good compromise out there, I just haven't dialed it
in yet.  What I feel is missing right now is a need to "trim" some of the
frequencies being transmitted from the chassis to the body.  The direct
connection that's there now with the aluminum bushings transmits too much,
and the other components have effectively isolated any soaking effect that
might have been there under stock conditions.
-- 
Cheers,
Carl Prochilo
92 Ultra Red Crimson

On Wed, May 4, 2005 1:36 am, Ron Porter said:
> You got it, Paul.
>
> For those that don't do the track, why bother spending the $$$ on
> suspension upgrades anyway? Replace all of the worn stock pieces with new
> stock pieces and the car will have capabilities beyond 95%+ of SHO drivers
> anyway.
>
> Get better tires.....they help more than anything.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> Paul Nimz <pnimz@v8sho.com> wrote:
> I think you guys need to pull the peas out from under your pillows....
>
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 5/3/2005 8:42:57 AM, gr8sho@adelphia.net wrote:
>> Zach brings up a very good point about other mods interacting together.
>> One might think that in South Florida, stiffening up the suspension is
>> not
>> problem, but after doing everything pretty much there is to be done on
>> my
>> 92 (including poly all around), the ride is too harsh since I use my car
>> as a daily driver to some extent. The ALSB that Mark N refers to as
>> spacers are no longer on my preferred list of mods. I plan to try the
>> Gen
>> 3 bushings as soon as I can get around to it.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Carl Prochilo
>> 92 Ultra Red Crimson
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2005 8:20 am, Zach Leahy said:
>> > I think the NVH is greatly increased when you have already stiffened
>> > the suspension. I had put in tokico/eibach already so I think it may
>> > have amplified the change in NVH.
>> >
>> > Now, if the roads are smooth there is little difference... but Here in
>> > northern IN, they are not.
>> >
>> > I remember riding with george and he was complaining about some of the
>> > california roads....
>> >
>> > Z
>> >
>> > On 5/2/05, bjshov8 wrote:
>> >> I had heard this before I installed my aluminum bushings, but I
>> couldn't
>> >> detect mu
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