[Shotimes] Re: (OT) British perspective on the new Mustang

Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:11:22 -0700 (PDT)

Yes, I know of three places to buy a new Lotus should
I want one. To get a Ferrari I would need to travel a
bit.

I thought that Lotus was selling 3 cars in the US now?
The Elise, the Esprit and the Exige? Was production of
the Esprit halted?

Ian

--- Ron Porter <ronporter@prodigy.net> wrote:

> Well, the Lotus has dealerships in at least about 22
> states. Probably more
> than Ferrari and definitely more than Lamborghini at
> this point.
> 
> When you talk to folks who believe in the "true
> sports car" concept,
> probably the only American car today that qualifies
> if the Solstice. Vettes,
> Vipers etc are GT cars. Same with modern Porsches,
> actually.
> 
> It's one of those "Whatever" topics with me. I see
> their point on what a
> "true sport car" should be, but I don't much care.
> 
> Also, as a few folks raised the point. For as many
> miles as it takes in the
> USA to cross one state, you have crossed three
> countries in Europe or the UK
> (well, maybe not the UK.....hard to drive to
> Ireland).
> 
> I've never really been a British sports car fan, but
> a lot of what you wrote
> as the history of British sports cars also applies
> to the Corvette as well
> as living with on a daily basis for Vettes C1-C3.
> 
> Ron Porter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Mallinson [mailto:dmall@mwonline.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:41 PM
> To: 'Shotimes'; 'V8List SHO'
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: (OT) British perspective
> on the new Mustang
> 
> Mini doesn't count, BMW through and through.  Lotus?
>  Botique maker, low 
> production, true sports car? yes, but they only sell
> one car in the US, 
> in four states.  Hardly in the same league as most
> production cars.  It 
> is neat, it is fun, it is sporty, but it barely
> qualifies as a car, 
> certainly not one that you can live with on a daily
> basis.  Chaterham, 
> is basically a kit car.  Again, the British sports
> car industry 
> isvirtually non-existent.  They have a wonderful
> history of easily 
> broken, spindly little cars that were fun, leaked,
> broke down a lot and 
> took American parts to keep running,  but hardly
> practical.  That this 
> jerk can have the attitude he does when the British
> could not make a 
> modern car well enough to survive is really a joke.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> Ron Porter wrote:
> 
> >Well.......the British still make sports cars.
> >
> >Prime one is the Lotus Elise (don't know about the
> other models at this
> >time). This is probably the preeminent sports car
> out there today.
> >
> >The Mini. Yes, owned by BMW, but still made in
> England.
> >
> >The Caterham (former Lotus 7).
> >
> >When you get into discussions with folks about
> "true" sports cars (and some
> >folks are very picky about that!!), the Lotus and
> Caterham definitely
> >qualify (as did the defunct British sports cars of
> years past).
> >
> >Ron Porter
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> >On Behalf Of Donald Mallinson
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:59 AM
> >To: Shotimes; V8List SHO
> >Subject: [Shotimes] Re: (OT) British perspective on
> the new Mustang
> >
> >Fun to read but the guy has no concept of what a
> good car is, no concept 
> >of how the car is used. 
> >
> >He ran out of brakes on turn 6?  Then he needs some
> driving lessons.  
> >The car has good brakes, and his driving style must
> be terrible to go 
> >through them that fast, or was the "press" car he
> was driving totally 
> >thrashed and in poor shape since I doubt he gets
> first shot at press cars.
> >
> >Oh, and lets see about that revered British sports
> car industry.  They 
> >make how many sports cars?  How about zero.  I
> think the guy is pissed 
> >because Ford now owns Jag, and Jag no longer makes
> a sports car.  They 
> >make touring cars.  The british no longer make cars
> except for kit cars 
> >and ultra low production stuff.
> >
> >No sports car in the US in 50 years?  The Vette may
> not be a lotus, but 
> >then it is safe in a crash, has modern accessories,
> gets great fuel 
> >mileage and is very fast and even affordable.  When
> did the British make 
> >anything to compete? 
> >
> >As for the lightning, he should attend an SVTOA
> event and find out how 
> >well those trucks handle and go.  He obviously just
> doesn't get the 
> >American pickup truck universe.  Yep, we haul stuff
> with our trucks, and 
> >more than just Horses.
> >
> >The guy is an ass. 
> >
> >Don Mallinson
> >
> >Ron Porter wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Interesting read!!
> >>
>
>>http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1794313_1,00.html
> >>
> >>Ron Porter
> >>    
> >>
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