[Zmagnette] New Member

Tue Oct 22 11:44:10 MDT 2013

David, Steve, and others,

First of all, David, you are just as entitled to use the word "we" as any member of our group.  Your participation and support is highly valued, and I hope you will always feel free to participate just as you have.  In fact, you bring up an important topic with your consideration of the terms "inclusive" vs "exclusive".  I always view myself as an "inclusive" kind of guy, yet the stand I've taken on this concern seems rather exclusive.  Not intended!  

And Steve, you're right; we've never turned away a prospective member, and the process we've had before (and which I'd like to continue) does little to seriously vet new members. But it does serve another purpose which is exclusive to ZMG. There I go using that "exclusive" word again, but while I'm on several chat lists and forums (fora?), ours is unique in that it is also a club.  Certainly a V-E-R-Y loose club, but nevertheless a club.  I've never heard of a chat list doing something like what we did GT35.  In this sense, I don't think it's correct to compare us with other lists.  When people join our list, I want to know about it so we can join in welcoming them.  When I post to the list, I like to have at least a vague idea that I'm addressing a fellowship, if you will.  I'm fond of comparing ZMG to Brigadoon - existing only virtually for 51 weeks out of the year, but becoming tangible and alive at annual NAMGAR GTs.  

No constitution, no by-laws, no officers, no treasury, no board of directors, no nothin'  And no urge to change that - just a love of our unstructured fellowship.  In fact, if we are but a list, we need no chairman either and I join the ranks of the unemployed.  And I'm not just protecting my job - the pay isn't much, but the intangible benefits are incredible!   But when we become a chat list of anonymous lurkers and contributors, we cease to be a club.  I would regret that.

FWIW,
Allen 
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On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:47 AM, David Halliday wrote:

> There's lots of good arguments for and against and of course we want to be inclusive rather than exclusive. Here's me saying we - I'm the Aussie/Pommie interloper - but I guess you know what I mean?! The big risk,is what alive seen on other lists and that's spammers messing things up! If we can stop the spammers and such like, it probably isn't an issue. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> David 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2013, at 04:24, Steven Trovato <strovato at optonline.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry Allen, but I think you're getting paranoid.  Most lists allow anyone to join.  I don't really think we're going to get a whole lot of people joining who don't have at least some interest in Magnettes.  What are we afraid of?  There are people who are, for a lack of a better word, shy.  They join quietly.  The don't contribute.  They just lurk.  But over time, they might start to feel comfortable and one day you get "this is my first post...  I'm thinking about getting a Magnette."  Allen, have you ever denied anyone access to the list?  I can see how if someone turns out to be a problem, they can be removed from the list.  But I can't really think of a situation in which someone new comes along and we say turn them away.
>> 
>> -Steve T.
>> 
>> At 11:14 PM 10/21/2013, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>> 
>>> I don't think people should be allowed on our list without some sort of administrative control. Granted, I don't know of anybody being denied membership, but I think we need some evidence of a person's  sincerity: either a recommendation from a current member or some reasonably convincing email exchange with an administrator or other current member. If newbies can simply sign themselves in, we know longer know who we are addressing and the group ceases to feel like a club.  I really feel a need for some control here...
>>> 
>>> Does this make sense or am I just getting a bit paranoid in my old age?
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