[Zmagnette] Thermostat housing

charles durning durningcharles at gmail.com
Sun May 18 17:39:42 MDT 2014


Fletcher,

I would think in this application there would be no need to remove the plug.


Charlie Durning

If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.



On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Fletcher Millmore <
gofanu at cust.usachoice.net> wrote:

>  Only problem was the brass plug was originally plastic, and people
> overtightened and broke them, or made them impossible to get out. Many cars
> wound up with giant bolts or pipe plugs screwed in, which did the threads
> or cracked the housing. Once the brass plugs arrived from Triumph, which
> also used them, things got better. But the brass plugs still seize if you
> don't lubricate the hreads with Lubriplate.
>
> FRM
>
> On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, charles durning wrote:
>
>  Arch,
>
>  No problems that I recall.
>
>
> Charlie Durning
>
> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Arch Boston <arch.boston at twc.com> wrote:
>
>>  Clever way to solve the problem!  It has been a long time since I owned
>> a B, and, as I said, never a rubber bumper.  We're there any problems with
>> this setup? Arch
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, charles durning <durningcharles at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Arch,
>>
>>  On the late rubber bumper B's the radiator is lower than the thermostat
>> housing.  Since the T'stat is the highest point in the cooling system that
>> plug is the filler for the cooling system
>>
>>
>> Charlie Durning
>>
>> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Arch Boston <arch.boston at twc.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  I have owned MGs since 1956, a VERY long time....  That being said ---
>>> I never owned a rubber bumper B.  So, this photo is showing something I
>>> never noticed before.  What is the plug for in the thermostat housing?  Arch
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2014, at 9:55 PM, charles durning <durningcharles at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   FYI on a replacement therm housing.  The ones that I have found for
>>> the Magnette direct the outlet slightly towards the radiator making the
>>> hose bend at awkward angles to get around the cross bar.  What I used was a
>>> therm housing for a '77 through '80 MGB.  I just cut off the bracket.  Now
>>> the outlet points slightly rearward making an easy fit for the top
>>> hose. Here are some pics the upper hose is a Dayco 71325.  The dayco hose
>>> has all of the right bends for a kink free upper hose.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie Durning
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Jon Marino <jonnyprecious at comcast.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks FRM,
>>>>
>>>> It took me about an hour, but I basically had to chisel off the housing
>>>> carefully, piece by piece. After I soaked it all in penetrating
>>>> lubricant, I
>>>> removed the studs (carefully...and I mean carefully, using a vise grip)
>>>> after I got that particular piece of the housing off. There was no
>>>> thermostat in there, which surprised me, so now I am wondering how to
>>>> flush
>>>> this baby out. Any suggestions would be awesome.
>>>>
>>>> Jon M.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>>    2. Oops - sorry. Was:  Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive,  now: Stator
>>>>       Tube Wiring (Allen Bachelder)
>>>>
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>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:53:38 -0400
>>>> From: Fletcher Millmore <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net>
>>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>>         <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Zmagnette Digest, Vol 8, Issue 57
>>>> Message-ID: <5377BE42.20502 at usachoice.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> Jon-
>>>> The problem arises because water has seeped past the gasket and into the
>>>> stud holes, causing corrosion. The corrosion products are bigger than
>>>> the
>>>> metal they start as, so form an expanding wedge against the studs - it
>>>> has
>>>> been known to split the housing.
>>>> Remove all 3 nuts/washers.
>>>> Penetrant into holes, which you will see are full of white stuff, if
>>>> you are
>>>> lucky not all 3!
>>>> It is worth trying some heat from a propane torch on the housing, and
>>>> tapping on the housing with a soft hammer.
>>>> You will see if any of the studs are not in this condition.
>>>> You can put nuts on the studs and tap sideways on them, to move each
>>>> stud
>>>> individually in the hole.
>>>> You can double nut the studs and remove them, if they move, BUT:
>>>> Do not remove more than one until you can move all 3; people sometimes
>>>> get
>>>> two out, with it still seized on the third, which is when they break the
>>>> stud off in the head, or break the housing.
>>>> If you get one out,. clean the stud and the hole, them put it back in
>>>> until
>>>> you work the others free.
>>>> It sometimes takes quite a bit of this fiddling in bad cases.
>>>> Patience and repetition are good - brute force is a disaster.
>>>>
>>>> (I did have one epic case of a cast iron Spridget housing that had to be
>>>> carved off with a chisel!)
>>>>
>>>> Once you get it off, you will see that there is a very narrow edge that
>>>> seals between the stud holes and the thermostat bore, and the housing is
>>>> usually corroded here.
>>>> All this is the result of poor gaskets, poorly fitted over the years.
>>>> The Magnette housing is not common to many other cars in the US, so
>>>> getting
>>>> another is hard, and impossible for a new one.
>>>> AND, the replacement gaskets are nowhere near the quality the OE were -
>>>> and
>>>> the OE were nearly always installed incorrectly and overtightened to
>>>> failure
>>>> point.
>>>> SO, this is one of very few places I use LocTite Gasket eliminator or
>>>> RTV
>>>> silicon instead of a gasket. Use it sparingly, but pay attention to that
>>>> narrow edge.
>>>> Coat the studs with Anti-Seize compound before assembly.
>>>>
>>>> FRM
>>>>
>>>> On 5/17/2014 11:08 AM, Jon Marino wrote:
>>>> > Hi folks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Is there a trick to removing the elbow water outlet (thermostat
>>>> > housing, I
>>>> > think) that's part of the cooling system? It just seems like it's
>>>> > stuck on the engine permanently.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Jon M.
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
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>>>> > [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>>>> > zmagnette-request at autox.team.net
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>>>> >     1. Re: Welcome to a new member (Allen Bachelder)
>>>> >     2. Help (webuck1 at cox.net)
>>>> >     3. Re: Welcome to a new member (Allen Bachelder)
>>>> >     4. Re: Welcome to a new member (Allen Bachelder)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> > Message: 1
>>>> > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 09:40:22 -0400
>>>> > From: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>>>> > To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>> >       <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Welcome to a new member
>>>> > Message-ID: <5CEFFE0C-5F01-4F84-BB5C-319BBBAE4AB5 at comcast.net>
>>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>> >
>>>> > Welcome Peter!  We've now welcomed two consecutive "Peters" to our
>>>> > membership (which is now up to 115, BTW).  At any rate, for all the
>>>> "Steves"
>>>> > who own Magnettes, there is now some competition.
>>>> > *********************************************
>>>> > Allen & Florrie Bachelder
>>>> > North Street, MI
>>>> > bachldrs at comcast.net
>>>> > *********************************************
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On May 17, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Steve wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Please welcome Peter Ferrer to our Merry Magnettic Band.  Peter has a
>>>> >> 58
>>>> > ZB Varitone (that?s redundant, eh).  We been working together trying
>>>> > to solve some wiring harness issues.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So, Chris K and Allen B . . . . is he in! or, is there something else
>>>> >> I
>>>> > need to do, like pay his lifetime membership fee in vintage headlight
>>>> > bezels?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Welcome Peter,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> #2SteveK
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>>>> > Message: 2
>>>> > Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 22:15:20 -0700
>>>> > From: <webuck1 at cox.net>
>>>> > To: zmagnette at autox.team.net
>>>> > Subject: [Zmagnette] Help
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>>>> > Hi Chris,
>>>> > What ever you did, I can now open pictures and I don't see any
>>>> > scrubbed html's. I actually opened the note from Allen and it opened
>>>> > with the picture. The only change I see is that I don't have the
>>>> > address to reply to the digest but otherwise 99% better. Thank, you
>>>> > for what you did. What did you do? I am curious.
>>>> > Buckey
>>>> > webuck1 at cox.net
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>>>> >
>>>> > ------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> > Message: 3
>>>> > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 09:50:59 -0400
>>>> > From: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>>>> > To: "'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'"
>>>> >       <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Welcome to a new member
>>>> > Message-ID: <C4C0FECF-3827-4E2F-AB76-97DB463C0484 at comcast.net>
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>>>> >
>>>> > I'm resending this from John Park as it was sent before Peter actually
>>>> > got added.
>>>> >
>>>> > - Allen
>>>> >
>>>> > HI Peter,
>>>> >              Welcome to our wonderfully knowledgeable and fun group!
>>>> >              Regards,
>>>> >              John 59 zbv
>>>> >
>>>> > From: zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net
>>>> > [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:13 AM
>>>> > To: zmagnette at autox.team.net; Peter Ferrer
>>>> > Subject: [Zmagnette] Welcome to a new member
>>>> >
>>>> > Please welcome Peter Ferrer to our Merry Magnettic Band.  Peter has a
>>>> > 58 ZB Varitone (that?s redundant, eh).  We been working together
>>>> > trying to solve some wiring harness issues.
>>>> >
>>>> > So, Chris K and Allen B . . . . is he in! or, is there something else
>>>> > I need to do, like pay his lifetime membership fee in vintage
>>>> headlight
>>>> bezels?
>>>> >
>>>> > Welcome Peter,
>>>> >
>>>> > #2SteveK
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>>>> > Message: 4
>>>> > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 09:52:06 -0400
>>>> > From: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>>>> > To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>> >       <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Welcome to a new member
>>>> > Message-ID: <89D82BA5-D172-4B0B-B01A-840F211E2785 at comcast.net>
>>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm resending this from Ed Sass as it was sent before Peter actually
>>>> > got added to the list.
>>>> >
>>>> > Welcome Peter!
>>>> >
>>>> > It is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.  And it is a barrel of
>>>> monkeys!!
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>>>> > From: zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net
>>>> > [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>> > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 11:13 PM
>>>> > To: zmagnette at autox.team.net; Peter Ferrer
>>>> > Subject: [Zmagnette] Welcome to a new member
>>>> >
>>>> > Please welcome Peter Ferrer to our Merry Magnettic Band.  Peter has a
>>>> > 58 ZB Varitone (that?s redundant, eh).  We been working together
>>>> > trying to solve some wiring harness issues.
>>>> >
>>>> > So, Chris K and Allen B . . . . is he in! or, is there something else
>>>> > I need to do, like pay his lifetime membership fee in vintage
>>>> headlight
>>>> bezels?
>>>> >
>>>> > Welcome Peter,
>>>> >
>>>> > #2SteveK
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 19:03:27 -0400
>>>> From: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>>         <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: [Zmagnette] Oops - sorry. Was:  Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive,
>>>>         now: Stator Tube Wiring
>>>> Message-ID: <B11C70C4-598E-4485-85F4-5DC46652F182 at comcast.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>>
>>>> Zat better?   ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Allen
>>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Steve wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > guys!  Change the subject line : )
>>>> >
>>>> > From: John Park
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 5:58 AM
>>>> > To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive
>>>> >
>>>> > Another nice car!
>>>> >
>>>> > From: zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net
>>>> > [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen
>>>> Bachelder
>>>> > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:46 PM
>>>> > To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive
>>>> >
>>>> > Hey, it's gorgeous - and it has... (count 'em)  FOUR doors!  And to
>>>> boot,
>>>> I'm gonna guess it's a flat-head six.  The famous slant-six was still a
>>>> few
>>>> years off - think it came out in the '60 Valiant. But the old flathead
>>>> served, at least as an option, all Chrysler products from about 1932
>>>> until
>>>> 1960 and labored on in a number of other applications for nearly
>>>> another 20
>>>> years.  My first car was a '37 Plymouth.  At a purchase price of $70 it
>>>> didn't quite look like this one, but I loved it until I seriously
>>>> redlined
>>>> it in first coming home from school one day. It still ran...
>>>> >
>>>> > Allen
>>>> > ****************************************************************
>>>> > Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =iii=<
>>>> > Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>>> > '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>>> > North Street, MI 48049, USA
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>>>> > ************************************************
>>>> >
>>>> > <image001.jpg>
>>>> >
>>>> > On May 16, 2014, at 4:57 PM, David F. Darby wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hello Allen,
>>>> >
>>>> > >Oh man - a first-year Exner Mopar!
>>>> >
>>>> > >David, is your Plymouth like this one?  These were really timeless
>>>> > >designs.  I'd love to have one,
>>>> >
>>>> > Close, but that?s a Belvedere hardtop; mine is a Savoy four-door post.
>>>> Here it is under the locust. I suppose Virgil Exner and Gerald Palmer
>>>> had a
>>>> lot in common.
>>>> >
>>>> > David
>>>> >
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive <image002.jpg>
>>>> >
>>>> > On May 16, 2014, at 3:46 PM, David F. Darby wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Not really OT, as it is generic, but I am fixing to install a new
>>>> carpet
>>>> kit in my dear old 1955 Plymouth Savoy (another staid old sedan/saloon).
>>>> >
>>>> > I?m wondering if any of you have a favoured carpet adhesive or
>>>> protocol
>>>> you might suggest. I?ve just had very limited experience and I don?t
>>>> want to
>>>> botch it up.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have a nice (although lightweight) loop carpet kit in two pieces
>>>> (fore
>>>> and aft) with bound edges and an attached pressed felt-like backing. I?m
>>>> thinking I don?t want to weld it down and I?ll probably have to do a
>>>> lot of
>>>> fussing to get it all into place. Any suggestions as to brand or type of
>>>> adhesive you?ve had good results with? Or does it need anything at all?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for any help.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > David
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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