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Gearbox Oil - Overdrives

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Subject: Gearbox Oil - Overdrives
From: Jim Hill <Jim_Hill@chsra.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:03:32 -0600
During the recent discussion of using overdrives on Triumph vintage racers,
the question of the proper trans/OD oil came up. Bill Dentinger wrote:

>Mike Belfer always used KENDALL THREE STAR.  
>Apparently the two clutches in the overdrive 
>would each prefer a different weight gear 
>lube.  The KENDALL THREE STAR was a sort of 
>compromise between the two.  This too, Mike 
>got via Group 44. 

Today the following note appeared on the Big TR list. Any comments?

>1) The maker of the overdrive, Laycock, 
>specified motor oil, and issued a specific 
>warning against using "hypoid" oil in the 
>overdrive, as it would "damage" the clutch.  

>2) Triumph originally followed Laycock's 
>recommendation, and specified motor oil for 
>both OD and non-OD gearboxes for the TR2/3.
>This is in the original TR2/3 . . . manual.
 
>3) Apparently around 1960 . . . Triumph changed 
>their recommendation to GL4 grade gear oil.  
>This was apparently in reaction to some gearbox 
>failures . . . and in contradiction to Laycock's 
>recommendation, which never changed.  All of the 
>other car makers using the Laycock overdrives 
>(MG, Austin, Volvo, etc.) still recommended 
>motor oil. 

>4) Conventional GL4 gear oil does contain a 
>sulfur-based "extreme pressure" additive that 
>can, under certain conditions of high heat
>(and pressure ?), break down to form sulfuric 
>acid, which will attack the brass synchro 
>rings, thrust washers, etc. found in the TR 
>gearbox.  However, it's not clear that these 
>conditions exist anywhere except on the race 
>track . . .

>5) . . .

6) According to Redline, their synthetic GL4 
>gear oil (Redline MTL) does not contain the 
>sulfur additive, as their base oil meets the 
>EP requirements for GL4.  However, there have 
>been other problems reported from the race 
>track with using MTL (it apparently does not 
>allow enough friction for the synchro rings 
>and the gear detents to work properly).  Again, 
>some people use it with no problems. 

>7) Ken Gillanders at British Frame and Engine 
>has been using Valvoline Racing 20W50 oil in 
>several OD transmissions, both on and off the 
>race track, for some 15 years now, and has seen 
>no problems related to the oil. 
>The racing oil contains high levels of a 
>zinc-based "anti-wear" additive that also give 
>it extreme pressure properties far better than 
>the motor oil of the 60s.  His personal TR2 has 
>been torn down several times to inspect for wear, 
>with none found. 




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