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Re: [Fot] Pedistal studs

To: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pedistal studs
From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:56:38 -0400
stock diameter.  I just called up ARP and told them the total length i needed
and thread.  They do not make a set specifically for rocker pedestals for this
car, so it is just some of their usual high quality hardware.  I had been
using aircraft grade washers and nuts but those are far softer than the ARP
stuff I now have.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Chuck Arnold
  To: Scott Janzen
  Cc: mdporter@dfn.com ; fot@autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Pedistal studs


  Michel,
  Michael,
  I will supply some pedestals if you will bore them and let me know the stud
diameter -- suggest we find a stock ARP stud/washer/bolts  to use if possible.
This would be tested in a high compression, high lift long duration cam, PI
TR6 race car.

  Scott -- what ARP stud number?  Stock diameter?

  chuck


  On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Scott Janzen <S.Janzen@comcast.net> wrote:

    Goodparts makes a beffy replacement TR6/Gt6 pedestal with its roller
rocker
    setup.  Not a plug - never used it, but I have had my stock pedestals egg
    out a bit under the nuts /washers.  I now have some high quality studs
and
    hardened washers and nuts from ARP.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Michael Porter" <mdporter@dfn.com>
    To: "marty sukey" <trmarty@hotmail.com>
    Cc: <fot@autox.team.net>
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [Fot] Pedistal studs


    > marty sukey wrote:
    >> Ken,Jack, all. Is this a problem specific the the TR4 engine or is
this
    >> something the TR6 and Spitfire folks should keep in mind?
    >>
    >>
    >
    > The TR6/GT6 engines have the rocker shaft supports at the ends of the
    > shaft, so that's a plus.  Nevertheless, the pedestal studs are a bit
    > wimpy.  One of the things I've been thinking about is the tendency of
    > the pedestals to walk back and forth with increasing valve spring
    > pressure.  As one adds stiffness into the valve train--stronger and
    > stiffer pushrods, stronger rockers, etc., there's usually little done
to
    > the pedestal studs, and that means the weakest part of the valve train
    > is the one to flex.
    >
    >
    > In looking at the pedestals, it's apparent that they are mostly hollow,
    > with a collar cast into the tops, which fits somewhat loosely around
the
    > stud. That means the pedestal, under load, can sort of squirm
underneath
    > the nut and washer, which might be one of the reasons for the nuts
    > loosening up.
    >
    >
    > What I'm thinking about doing is boring that collar out to a slightly
    > larger size, enlarging the stud threaded bores in the head, then
    > installing a larger stud that fits snugly inside the pedestal hole.
    > That also allows larger nuts, and considerably more applied tension to
    > hold the pedestals in place.   I think that milling the feet of the
    > pedestals perfectly flat and 90 deg. to the stud holes will help a bit,
    > since they seem to come from the factory without precise finishing and
    > over time may deform a bit and allow the pedestal to rock back and
forth
    > under load.
    >
    >
    > Cheers.
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > Michael Porter
    > Roswell, NM
    >
    >
    > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking
    > distance....
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