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Re: [Fot] Welding of a gearbox casing

To: TR4 Tony <tr4.tony@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Welding of a gearbox casing
From: Robert Deanes <rfdeanes@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:20:32 -0400
Cc: FOT <fot@autox.team.net>
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I have cut the bolting flange off my bell housing by the flywheel and have
had that welded back on with no problems, that was five years ago, had a
marine tower builder here in town do it, stronger than ever. He was worried
about the magnesium in the metal as we might have an expensive fire but all
was great.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:29 AM, TR4 Tony <tr4.tony@virgin.net> wrote:

> Just to add to this I know that some of the guys here use the later TR6
> bellhousing with the additional ribs vertically and horizontally, but in
> addition (especially when using a dog gear set which exerts vertical
> pressure
> which stretches the casing) they use straps to clamp the gearbox together
> over
> the remote housing. I've avoided this by careful selection of casings and a
> few bits of steel bracketry at critical points and stiffer engine and
> gearbox
> mounts, all of which do a little but often as I can't use a dog set due to
> regs.
>
> A lot of other things have been tried, such as TIG welding, epoxy bonding
> etc
> but the strap arrangement seems to be the better option at the moment. As
> Kas
> says a little flex in the downstream mounting is essential.
>
> Fundamentally the main gearbox casings are not strong laterally or
> vertically
> so anything you can do to stop them stretching will give benefit. The late
> CC
> TR6 casings seem to be the best, maybe also the Dolomite Sprint then
> followed
> by the LD and KD series stag. The old alloy is now quite brittle so once a
> fault develops it quickly turns into a major oil loss which means rapid
> gearbox failure due to heat.
>
> Also beware tapping the casing in a weak spot for an oil cooler take off.
> Enough said.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 22 Oct 2014, at 05:42, Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The gearbox is probably unusable and welding will just make the chance of
> > more expense very probable. I believe it is a matter of harmonics
> > vibration.  I found this to be true in the Early TR-4 cases where they
> > cracked a the bellousing tot he gearbox .  We had a terrible time with
> > this.  I did find one way to help the situation.  I made two steel
> hangers
> > out of 1/8" cold roll steel trap 1.5" wide and attached them on each side
> > of the gearbox at the bell housing then up to each side of where the
> > battery box is.  I then mounted these straps hangers to small rubber
> mounts
> > to help with the shock and to take soem of the weight..  This saved me
> many
> > races until the factory finally understood my problem nd then added the
> big
> > ribs down each side.  I also added 1/2" thick aluminum ribs on the side
> of
> > the gearbox.  One case worked fine but another made it impossible to line
> > up the shafts due to the case changing shape under heat. The hangers will
> > work though.
> >
> > *Never be beaten by equipment.*
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Van Mulders Marcel <
> > van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be> wrote:
> >
> >> In 2 years, I had 4 broken gearbox casing : maybe one of these can be
> >> repaired : it has a crack where the bottom of the gear casing and the
> rear
> >> wall  are mating. Considering the weight of the engine and gearbox, the
> >> stresses at that point must be very high : the 4 cylinder TR's have 2
> >> mountings at the front of the engine and 1 mounting at the gearbox
> >> extension. A gearbox with overdrive has this rear mounting at the very
> end
> >> of this extension : the shearing force between casing and extension must
> be
> >> very high, one should think that the rear wall of the casing should be
> >> pulled out all the time in racing. Has someone tried welding a gearbox
> >> casing?
> >> Marcel
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