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Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs

To: Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs
From: Bill Babcock via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:20:49 -1000
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Oops, I thought I did.=20


> On Apr 24, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net> =
wrote:
>=20
> Thanks Bill, great info.
> Why not share with the rest of the gang?
> Cheers, Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs
>>=20
>> Simple enough, you find a place you can be at whatever throttle =
setting you=E2=80=99re testing for a long time, like the length of a =
straight=E2=80=94generally wide open, but you might want part throttle =
sometimes. As you near the end you chop the throttle, push in the clutch =
and kill the ignition and coast to where you=E2=80=99re going to read =
the plug. Usually the hot pits.=20
>>=20
>> Generally the EGT, fuel meter, and plug reading will agree, the plug =
reading being the most sensitive since it=E2=80=99s the only one of =
these three parts that=E2=80=99s in the combustion chamber.  If they =
don=E2=80=99t you probably have something else affecting them, or =
possibly you have a seriously cold plug.=20
>>=20
>> You have to read a plug at the porcelain tip for heat range and at =
the base for mixture. If the tip is blistered or glossy white it=E2=80=99s=
 too hot. It should look grey or dull white. Look further down the =
porcelain with a lighted magnifying glass and read the base ring. It =
should be tan if your mixture is right. The ground electrode of a new =
plug gives you an indication of heat range also=E2=80=94if the plating =
is burned back past the curve it=E2=80=99s too hot, if it=E2=80=99s only =
burned at the tip the plug is a little too cold. You also want to look =
at the center electrode for signs of melting=E2=80=94the edges get =
slightly rounded when the plug is overheating. Can be an indication of =
too hot a plug but more likely the timing is too advanced.=20
>>=20
>> The right temperature is a pretty narrow range. Plugs start =
self-cleaning at about 500C, run best at 600-700C, and start =
pre-igniting at 800C.=20
>>=20
>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 3:53 AM, Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net =
>>>=20
>>> Hi Bill, for the sake of those unfamiliar with a clean chop or clean =
cut, could you give a description of it? You're very well-spoken and =
articulate and know what you're talking about.
>>> An old friend taught me how to do a clean cut about 45 years ago; =
we'll see if his method and yours are the same. I'm willing to wager =
that they are.
>>> Thanks, Bill
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 1:21 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spark Plugs
>>>>=20
>>>> You also can=E2=80=99t read a plug without a clean chop, which few =
people ever bother with or have any idea how to do. It=E2=80=99s a lot =
more important than starting with a clean plug. I don=E2=80=99t doubt =
that there=E2=80=99s a difference in horsepower in having a plug so hot =
that its blistering or pre-igniting, or so cold that it=E2=80=99s =
fouling. But there=E2=80=99s nothing you can learn on a dyno about what =
plug to use. If you=E2=80=99re smart about it, you run a very cold plug =
on a dyno.  And you mostly read plugs to get jetting right, not to =
choose the heat range.  I consider myself to be pretty good at reading =
plugs, I pestered Bobby Strahlman long enough and hard enough to learn =
most of what he was willing to tell me. It=E2=80=99s a bigger deal for =
motorcycles, in the same way that jetting carbs is a bigger deal. If =
you=E2=80=99ve only got one or two cylinders, and you=E2=80=99ve only =
got 30 horsepower, you better get them all.=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com =
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The manner of having the right heat range can mean more than a =
little bit of power. It does mater.  Most plugs I look at for the guys =
are generally to hot for the circumstances. Learn about          this =
stuff.  Clean the plugs, keep a little sand blast cleaner handy and =
never run a session without a few ( one or two CLEAN) plugs in the =
engine. You cannot read a dirty plug from running a session before. =
Don't be LAZY.=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Never be beaten by equipment.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Bill Babcock via Fot =
>>>>>> Why would you want to play with heat range on a dyno? There=E2=80=99=
s no horsepower difference. The only function of heat range is to have =
the porcelain at the right temperature to burn off deposits and not =
overheat to the point that the plug electrode melts or the porcelain =
blisters. Or at an extreme that the spark plug starts acting like a glow =
plug. Some tracks that are very tight or that have elevation changes =
might dictate a change to a hotter plug, or one with long open straights =
might warrant a colder one, but once you=E2=80=99re in the ballpark you =
shouldn=E2=80=99t have to do much.=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Robert M. Lang via Fot =
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I've been using Accel 114's for the last ten or 15 years, they =
seem to work fine. I have a collection of different temp range plugs =
from Accel all the way from 113 through 117. I've never              =
taken the time to play on the dyno to see if there's any difference =
changing heat range. I know =3D "my bad". I've never had a plug fail =
despite the amount of internet detritus regarding the quality of this =
brand.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 motor =
is 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. Ignition =
is Mallory / Pertronix.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Would the NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be a better choice?
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> rml
>>>>>>> =
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>>>>>>> Former NER Solo Chair                          |
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>>>>=20
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>>>> Editor: Ponostyle
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>>>>=20
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>>=20
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>>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Oops, I thought I did.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
style=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
24, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bill Tobin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net"; =
class=3D"">william.tobin31@verizon.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
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0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, =
255);" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Thanks =
Bill, great info.</font></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Why not share with the rest of the =
gang?</font></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Cheers, Bill</font></div><blockquote dir=3D"ltr"=
 style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
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style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" =
class=3D"">----- Original Message -----<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
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initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"Bill@ponostyle.com" href=3D"mailto:Bill@ponostyle.com"; =
class=3D"">Bill Babcock</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: =
normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"william.tobin31@verizon.net" =
href=3D"mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net"; class=3D"">Bill =
Tobin</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, April 24, 2015 =
12:26 PM</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Spark =
Plugs</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Simple enough, you find =
a place you can be at whatever throttle setting you=E2=80=99re testing =
for a long time, like the length of a straight=E2=80=94generally wide =
open, but you might want part throttle sometimes. As you near the end =
you chop the throttle, push in the clutch and kill the ignition and =
coast to where you=E2=80=99re going to read the plug. Usually the hot =
pits.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Generally =
the EGT, fuel meter, and plug reading will agree, the plug reading being =
the most sensitive since it=E2=80=99s the only one of these three parts =
that=E2=80=99s in the combustion chamber. &nbsp;If they don=E2=80=99t =
you probably have something else affecting them, or possibly you have a =
seriously cold plug.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">You have to read a plug at the porcelain tip for heat range =
and at the base for mixture. If the tip is blistered or glossy white =
it=E2=80=99s too hot. It should look grey or dull white. Look further =
down the porcelain with a lighted magnifying glass and read the base =
ring. It should be tan if your mixture is right. The ground electrode of =
a new plug gives you an indication of heat range also=E2=80=94if the =
plating is burned back past the curve it=E2=80=99s too hot, if it=E2=80=99=
s only burned at the tip the plug is a little too cold. You also want to =
look at the center electrode for signs of melting=E2=80=94the edges get =
slightly rounded when the plug is overheating. Can be an indication of =
too hot a plug but more likely the timing is too =
advanced.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The right temperature is a pretty narrow range. Plugs start =
self-cleaning at about 500C, run best at 600-700C, and start =
pre-igniting at 800C.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
24, 2015, at 3:53 AM, Bill Tobin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net"; =
class=3D"">william.tobin31@verizon.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"text-transform: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
text-indent: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica; =
white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Hi Bill, for the sake of those unfamiliar with =
a clean chop or clean cut, could you give a description of it? You're =
very well-spoken and articulate and know what you're talking =
about.</font></div><div style=3D"text-transform: none; background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255); text-indent: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; =
font-family: Helvetica; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">An old friend taught me how to do a =
clean cut about 45 years ago; we'll see if his method and yours are the =
same. I'm willing to wager that they are.</font></div><div =
style=3D"text-transform: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
text-indent: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica; =
white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Thanks, Bill</font></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; text-transform: none; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-indent: 0px; padding-left: =
5px; padding-right: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; font-family: =
Helvetica; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; margin-left: =
5px; margin-right: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D""><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;" class=3D"">----- Original Message -----<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: =
normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"fot@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">Bill Babcock via Fot</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"kaskastner@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:kaskastner@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">Kas Kastner</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: =
normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"fot@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, April 24, 2015 1:21 =
AM</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Spark =
Plugs</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>You also can=E2=80=99t =
read a plug without a clean chop, which few people ever bother with or =
have any idea how to do. It=E2=80=99s a lot more important than starting =
with a clean plug. I don=E2=80=99t doubt that there=E2=80=99s a =
difference in horsepower in having a plug so hot that its blistering or =
pre-igniting, or so cold that it=E2=80=99s fouling. But there=E2=80=99s =
nothing you can learn on a dyno about what plug to use. If you=E2=80=99re =
smart about it, you run a very cold plug on a dyno. &nbsp;And you mostly =
read plugs to get jetting right, not to choose the heat range. &nbsp;I =
consider myself to be pretty good at reading plugs, I pestered Bobby =
Strahlman long enough and hard enough to learn most of what he was =
willing to tell me. It=E2=80=99s a bigger deal for motorcycles, in the =
same way that jetting carbs is a bigger deal. If you=E2=80=99ve only got =
one or two cylinders, and you=E2=80=99ve only got 30 horsepower, you =
better get them all.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:39 PM, =
Kas Kastner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaskastner@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">kaskastner@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">The manner of having the right =
heat range can mean more than a little bit of power. It does =
mater.&nbsp; Most plugs I look at for the guys are generally to hot for =
the circumstances. Learn about <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>this stuff.&nbsp; Clean the =
plugs, keep a little sand blast cleaner handy and never run a session =
without a few ( one or two CLEAN) plugs in the engine. You cannot read a =
dirty plug from running a session before. Don't be LAZY.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_signature"><div class=3D""><strong class=3D""><font =
color=3D"#000099" class=3D"">Never be beaten by =
equipment.</font></strong></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Bill Babcock via =
Fot<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; =
border-left-style: solid; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;"><div class=3D"">Why would you want to play with heat range on a =
dyno? There=E2=80=99s no horsepower difference. The only function of =
heat range is to have the porcelain at the right temperature to burn off =
deposits and not overheat to the point that the plug electrode melts or =
the porcelain blisters. Or at an extreme that the spark plug starts =
acting like a glow plug. Some tracks that are very tight or that have =
elevation changes might dictate a change to a hotter plug, or one with =
long open straights might warrant a colder one, but once you=E2=80=99re =
in the ballpark you shouldn=E2=80=99t have to do much.&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Robert M. Lang =
via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Hi,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I've been using Accel 114's =
for the last ten or 15 years, they seem to work fine. I have a =
collection of different temp range plugs from Accel all the way from 113 =
through 117. I've never<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>=
 <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>taken the time to play on =
the dyno to see if there's any difference changing heat range. I know =3D =
"my bad". I've never had a plug fail despite the amount of internet =
detritus regarding the quality of this brand.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">In any case I was thinking about switching to NGK. My TR6 =
motor is 12:1, Webers, cam (street duration Isky Z19), header, etc. =
Ignition is Mallory / Pertronix.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Would the =
NGK BP6ES or BP7ES be a better choice?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Regards,<br class=3D"">rml<br =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
------------<br class=3D"">Bob Lang =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;Triumph TR6!! =
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;|<br class=3D"">Voice:617-253-7438 =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| &nbsp;Cell: 339-927-4489<br =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
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