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Re: [Fot] IRS diff overheating

To: Keith Files <keithfiles@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] IRS diff overheating
From: Greg And Alison Blake <ablake2@austin.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 16:26:59 -0500
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Keith

Can you send me info in this?  I assume it requires an external fluid pump.

Thanks,

Greg



> On Jun 2, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Keith Files <keithfiles@btinternet.com> wrote:=

>=20
> We use a diff cooler to avoid the problem on the TR6, a lot cheaper than c=
ontinual rebuilds of the diff. I ran with one doing 3 hours of the Nurburgri=
ng Nordschleife a couple of years ago, it worked perfectly.
>=20
> Keith
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 2 Jun 2015, at 20:01, Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> I had failure of all three cars at Sebring with the IRS cars. In practice=
s the diffs overheated and puked oil out the breather tub as you describe. I=
 laid part of it to a new diff but most to the heat generated by a disc type=
 limited slip. The capacity of the diff is marginal for endurance running. A=
dd to the  capacity or add a cooler.=20
>>=20
>> Never be beaten by equipment.
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Greg And Alison Blake <ablake2@austin.r=
r.com> wrote:
>>> Some of yall may have followed the social Media posts provided by our te=
ammates through the weekend. We were racing the Beanitos TR6 this past weeke=
nd at what was to be TWS's last ever race. It was a split 16 hour endurance r=
ace (Sat&Sun).
>>>=20
>>> We had a strange failure on Saturday. About 6 hours in, the truck was fu=
ll of gear oil. I had routed a diff vent line to the trunk. Upon returning t=
o the garage, we discovered melted poly diff mounts. Pic below.
>>>=20
>>> I've been scratching my head on this one. Prior to boiling the diff flui=
d, we had zero leaks in the freshly serviced diff. I had replaced all seals a=
nd filled with STALUBE 90WT GL4.
>>>=20
>>> I've been racing my TR3 using this same diff fluid for 6 years (replaced=
 every two weekends). Never a problem with my vintage race car. Of course, I=
've never run the 3 for 6 hours straight.
>>>=20
>>> Some of the more seasoned endurance racers asked what fluid I had in the=
 diff. All suggested that mineral based fluid is not a good choice for endur=
ance events.
>>>=20
>>> I'd love to hear opinions as to the route cause of our failure and more i=
mportantly, suggested remedies.
>>>=20
>>> As to the results, the car was running consistently 2:1x laps with a fas=
t lap of 2:10. We ended up taking the workers choice award. Had we run w/o d=
iff failure and a subsequent battery failure, we could have been in the hunt=
 for a podium finish. Fastest lap in our group was 2:09.9
>>>=20
>>> Great weekend
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Thanks
>>> Greg
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Keith</div><div><br></div><div>Can you=
 send me info in this? &nbsp;I assume it requires an external fluid pump.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Greg<br><br><br></di=
v><div><br>On Jun 2, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Keith Files &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kei=
thfiles@btinternet.com">keithfiles@btinternet.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></di=
v><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D=
"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>We use a diff cooler to avoid the problem o=
n the TR6, a lot cheaper than continual rebuilds of the diff. I ran with one=
 doing 3 hours of the Nurburgring Nordschleife a couple of years ago, it wor=
ked perfectly.</div><div><br></div><div>Keith<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div>=
<div><br>On 2 Jun 2015, at 20:01, Kas Kastner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaskastn=
er@gmail.com">kaskastner@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I had failure of all three cars at Sebrin=
g with the IRS cars. In practices the diffs overheated and puked oil out the=
 breather tub as you describe. I laid part of it to a new diff but most to t=
he heat generated by a disc type limited slip. The capacity of the diff is m=
arginal for endurance running.&nbsp;Add to the&nbsp;&nbsp;capacity or add a c=
ooler.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_signature"><p><strong><font color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by=
 equipment.</font></strong></p></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Greg And Ali=
son Blake <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ablake2@austin.rr.com"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">ablake2@austin.rr.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">Some of yall may have followed the social Media posts provid=
ed by our teammates through the weekend. We were racing the Beanitos TR6 thi=
s past weekend at what was to be TWS's last ever race. It was a split 16 hou=
r endurance race (Sat&amp;Sun).<br>
<br>
We had a strange failure on Saturday. About 6 hours in, the truck was full o=
f gear oil. I had routed a diff vent line to the trunk. Upon returning to th=
e garage, we discovered melted poly diff mounts. Pic below.<br>
<br>
I've been scratching my head on this one. Prior to boiling the diff fluid, w=
e had zero leaks in the freshly serviced diff. I had replaced all seals and f=
illed with STALUBE 90WT GL4.<br>
<br>
I've been racing my TR3 using this same diff fluid for 6 years (replaced eve=
ry two weekends). Never a problem with my vintage race car. Of course, I've n=
ever run the 3 for 6 hours straight.<br>
<br>
Some of the more seasoned endurance racers asked what fluid I had in the dif=
f. All suggested that mineral based fluid is not a good choice for endurance=
 events.<br>
<br>
I'd love to hear opinions as to the route cause of our failure and more impo=
rtantly, suggested remedies.<br>
<br>
As to the results, the car was running consistently 2:1x laps with a fast la=
p of 2:10. We ended up taking the workers choice award. Had we run w/o diff f=
ailure and a subsequent battery failure, we could have been in the hunt for a=
 podium finish. Fastest lap in our group was 2:09.9<br>
<br>
Great weekend<br>
<br>
<br><br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
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