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Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Burnt plugs
From: Bud R <levilevi@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:38:50 -0600
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I don=92t have any experience with TR4 ZS carbs so I=92m not sure. I=92ve =
only worked with TR6 era ZS carbs.

One would think they hadn=92t changed that much so that might work.

Bud=20

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On Oct 16, 2015, at 11:17 AM, rkramer3@austin.rr.com wrote:

> Can't you use the adjustable jets from the ZS carbs on a TR4?
>=20
> Bob Kramer
> rkramer3@austin.rr.com
>=20
> ---- Bud R <levilevi@comcast.net> wrote:=20
>> =93but what about the main jets."
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> ZS jets actually are adjustable, just not easily. The depth (from the =
bridge to the top of the jet) of the jets on my 175 ZS carbs can range =
from 0.085 to 0.187 inches. I have mine set at 0.125=94 deep. Don=92t =
know if 150=92s are the same but I suspect it=92s close to the same.
>>=20
>> To adjust take a 3/8 inch bolt and grind it flat on the bottom. Put =
two nuts on to lock your =93depth setter=94 bolt and then tap the jet =
down to a measured depth (with your dial indicator). To move it up tap =
from the bottom with a Honda valve guide (or similar protection) to =
protect the jet. I=92ve set the jets with the carbs still on the carb.
>>=20
>> 0.085 is lean and 0.187 is rich so adjust accordingly. Be precise =
this is not a big range but it can make a difference.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Bud Rolofson
>>=20
>> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>>=20
>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
>> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle=20
>> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>> Did you check the plugs after the overheating so that you know it =
was from fuel problems not the overheating??
>>>=20
>>> What needles are you running? How far open is the adjusting nut for =
the mixture?
>>>=20
>>> Never be beaten by equipment.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:42 AM, <damys@charter.net> wrote:
>>> Finally got the GT6 back together and had it at Brainerd for two =
track days.  First day still had overheating issues even with the oil =
cooler, external octopus oiling and scirocco rad.  Also had a vibration =
in the rear.=20
>>>=20
>>> Then we fabricated a full rad shroud and re-did one of the 240Z rear =
axles.  Lost all but a very minor vibration that show up at around 100 =
MPH which might just be from driving an 1800 lb car that fast.=20
>>>=20
>>> Cured the overheating and actually had to tape the rad and oil =
cooler.  After many laps the water was at 200 and the oil at 220.  =
Outside temp 65-70 degrees.
>>>=20
>>> Our new problem is we burned the electrodes off of number 1 and 4 =
plugs. The other four looked a little lean, but not bad.  We are running =
1.50 Strombergs.
>>>=20
>>> It seems to me that the stock intake is starving 1 and 4.=20
>>>=20
>>> I've read that Kas drilled the float jets to cure starvation at high =
RPM's, but what about the main jets.  Will this cause serious bog at =
mid-RPM's.  Also would reworking the number 1 and 4 intake runners help =
the problem.  We are maxing out at 6000 RPM's.
>>>=20
>>> As for the minor vibration, we have a rebuilt, fully welded 3:89.=20
>>>=20
>>> Planning on Elkhart in the Spring. Any ideas?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks
>>>=20
>>> Dave and Alex Amys
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
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>>>=20
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>>>=20
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they hadn=92t changed that much so that might =
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0px;">Extreme Parts Racing&nbsp;(more than just a haircut)</div><div =
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<br><div><div>On Oct 16, 2015, at 11:17 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com";>rkramer3@austin.rr.com</a> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Can't you use the adjustable jets from the ZS carbs on a =
TR4?<br><br>Bob Kramer<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com";>rkramer3@austin.rr.com</a><br><br>-=
--- Bud R &lt;levilevi@comcast.net&gt; wrote: <br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">=93but what about the main jets."<br><br><br><br>ZS jets =
actually are adjustable, just not easily. The depth (from the bridge to =
the top of the jet) of the jets on my 175 ZS carbs can range from 0.085 =
to 0.187 inches. I have mine set at 0.125=94 deep. Don=92t know if 150=92s=
 are the same but I suspect it=92s close to the same.<br><br>To adjust =
take a 3/8 inch bolt and grind it flat on the bottom. Put two nuts on to =
lock your =93depth setter=94 bolt and then tap the jet down to a =
measured depth (with your dial indicator). To move it up tap from the =
bottom with a Honda valve guide (or similar protection) to protect the =
jet. I=92ve set the jets with the carbs still on the carb.<br><br>0.085 =
is lean and 0.187 is rich so adjust accordingly. Be precise this is not =
a big range but it can make a difference.<br><br><br>Bud =
Rolofson<br><br>Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a =
haircut)<br><br>71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)<br>71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car =
#3<br>69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)<br>93 Minnie =
Winnie Race Support Vehicle <br>77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda =
Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit =
Bike)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>On Oct 15, =
2015, at 2:12 PM, Kas Kastner &lt;kaskastner@gmail.com&gt; =
wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Did you check the plugs after =
the overheating so that you know it was from fuel problems not the =
overheating??<br><br>What needles are you running? How far open is the =
adjusting nut for the mixture?<br><br>Never be beaten by =
equipment.<br><br><br>On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:42 AM, =
&lt;damys@charter.net&gt; wrote:<br>Finally got the GT6 back together =
and had it at Brainerd for two track days. &nbsp;First day still had =
overheating issues even with the oil cooler, external octopus oiling and =
scirocco rad. &nbsp;Also had a vibration in the rear. <br><br>Then we =
fabricated a full rad shroud and re-did one of the 240Z rear axles. =
&nbsp;Lost all but a very minor vibration that show up at around 100 MPH =
which might just be from driving an 1800 lb car that fast. <br><br>Cured =
the overheating and actually had to tape the rad and oil cooler. =
&nbsp;After many laps the water was at 200 and the oil at 220. =
&nbsp;Outside temp 65-70 degrees.<br><br>Our new problem is we burned =
the electrodes off of number 1 and 4 plugs. The other four looked a =
little lean, but not bad. &nbsp;We are running 1.50 =
Strombergs.<br><br>It seems to me that the stock intake is starving 1 =
and 4. <br><br>I've read that Kas drilled the float jets to cure =
starvation at high RPM's, but what about the main jets. &nbsp;Will this =
cause serious bog at mid-RPM's. &nbsp;Also would reworking the number 1 =
and 4 intake runners help the problem. &nbsp;We are maxing out at 6000 =
RPM's.<br><br>As for the minor vibration, we have a rebuilt, fully =
welded 3:89. <br><br>Planning on Elkhart in the Spring. Any =
ideas?<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Dave and Alex =
Amys<br><br><br><br><br><br>______________________________________________=
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