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I looked into at one time, for exactly those reasons.=C2=A0 I knew an
autocrosser in St. Louis
who had done that on his home built open wheel car, but eventually
decided not to
go that route.=C2=A0 I can't remember why though - possibly just lazy...
=C2=A0
John
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:40:03 -0500, Dustin Nicholson wrote:
Anyone ever consider an electric water pump? I don't know much
about them but it seems you'd get a constant flow rate regardless of
engine speed, maybe even an adjustable speed with a reostat. Plus you'd
gain back lost HP. Some of our cars started life running 5 accessories
on a belt (alternator, fan, smog pump, A/C compressor, and water pump).
I'm down to only running the water pump off my belt, would be nice to
have no belt at all!
=C2=A0
Dusty
FP Spit
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-------- Original message --------
From: Bill Babcock
Date: 7/11/16 5:22 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: MadMarx
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=C2=A0
Yes, outlet temperature of the block is lower, outlet temperature of
the radiator is higher. Delta-T across the radiator is lower. Think of
it this way, Q (heat transfer) is stable at some operating point. The
excess heat from the engine is equal to the heat removed from the
radiator. Ignore the heat transfer coefficient for the moment.=C2=A0So Q
for radiator =3D mass x (Tin-Tout) and Q for engine is mass x (Tout-Tin).
Q and M is the same for both engine and radiator and Tin of =C2=A0=3D Tout =
of
engine, likewise Tout of radiator =3D Tin of engine.
=C2=A0
Obvious, right. So hold everything stable and increase flow rate.
Obviously Tin-Tout must decrease as does Tout-Tin. The operating
temperature will depend solely on the temperature drop across the
radiator. If you and a lower operating temp at that Q you need a lower
Tout of the radiator.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
If you increase engine load and RPM, the mass flow rate increases with
RPM, but not linearly since it=E2=80=99s a centrifugal pump. Slip gets wors=
e
with RPM. The high flow rate system has a lower delta-t across the
engine, but also has a lower delta-t across the radiator. Temperature
will likely climb higher than with a lower flow rate system (depending
on where you measure it, but heat transfer rate is lower, so you might
reach a point where it=E2=80=99s inadequate to meet the engine demand. then=
Tout climbs quickly and shit happens.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx wrote:
I think alot depends on where the system finds ist balance point.=C2=A0
If more flow removes heat quicker from the engine maybe the outlet
temperature of the block is lower?=C2=A0
So the difference of the radiator outlet might not be so much of a problem?=
=C2=A0
The water stays shorter in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick up that much te=
mperature?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Interesting thing to test.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Cheers=C2=A0
Chris=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Von:=C2=A0Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com]=C2=A0
Gesendet:=C2=A0Montag, 11. Juli 2016 23:41
An:=C2=A0MadMarx
Cc:=C2=A0Mordy Dunst;=C2=A0van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be;=C2=A0fot@autox.te=
am.net
Betreff:=C2=A0Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Well, you=E2=80=99ll need to get comfortable with a higher no-load
temperature, because the radiator outlet temperature will be high.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0
Two factors to consider: Heat, which is the amount of energy
transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat transfer only in
terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means less mass flow
and therefore less heat transfer but a higher differential temperature
across the radiator, high speed means more heat transfer but less
differential temperature across the radiator.=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx wrote:=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Hi Mordy,=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
there are two theories about cooling and water flow.=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Slow speed of the water in the radiat=
or to give the water
time to cool. That means slowing down=C2=A0
2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The other theory sais maximizing the =
flow, no
restriction, high coolant speed.=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
In a way I prefer the 2nd=C2=A0way. And I=E2=80=99ll test this version in t=
he
coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors and see what happens.=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
Cheers=C2=A0
Chris=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
Von:=C2=A0Mordy Dunst [mailto:gasket.works@gte.net]=C2=A0
Gesendet:=C2=A0Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:45
An:=C2=A0tr4racing@googlemail.com;=C2=A0van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
Cc:=C2=A0fot@autox.team.net
Betreff:=C2=A0Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
Chris your the engineer....
Heat produced vs heat removed.=C2=A0 There will be a steady state at some
point.=C2=A0 You would like it lower. =C2=A0 Don"t underestimate the headga=
sket
component of channeling coolant flow.=C2=A0 In the TR4 motor i made the
coolant holes different than original to allow the mass flow of water
to occur from the rear of the motor forward.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I also put a press=
ure
gauge on my coolant.=C2=A0 If the pressure is too low it will not cool as
efficiently either.=C2=A0 I don"t know what the coolant=C2=A0 dwell time wi=
th
in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat generated.=C2=A0 Nor=
the dwell time in the radiator.=C2=A0 There certainly calcs for all this
stuff.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
MDunst
Headgasket.com
626.628.3777 F
Triple R Munitions, Inc
626.201.9471 T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx
To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' ; 'MadMarx'
Cc: fot
Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=C2=A0
I have a 160F thermostat installed.=C2=A0
Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it
goes with that.=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
Chris=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
Von:=C2=A0Marcel Van Mulders [mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be]=C2=A0
Gesendet:=C2=A0Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01
An:=C2=A0'MadMarx'
Cc:=C2=A0fot@autox.team.net
Betreff:=C2=A0RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
My diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant
thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps it=C2=
=A0 is
intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 thermostat.=C2=A0
Marcel=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
-------------------------
Van:=C2=A0Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net]=C2=A0Namens=C2=A0MadMarx
Verzonden:=C2=A0donderdag 7 juli 2016 19:21
Aan:=C2=A0'FOT List'
Onderwerp:=C2=A0[Fot] TR8 Water temperature=C2=A0
Hi guys,=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've
experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing
pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and
outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump
more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank,
currently 1:1 speed.=C2=A0Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
Cheers=C2=A0
Chris=C2=A0
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<p>I looked into at one time, for exactly those reasons.=C2=A0 I knew an au=
tocrosser
in St. Louis</p>
<p>who had done that on his home built open wheel car, but eventually decid=
ed
not to</p>
<p>go that route.=C2=A0 I can't remember why though - possibly just lazy...=
</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>John<br><br>On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:40:03 -0500, Dustin Nicholson
<nicholsondustin@yahoo.com> wrote:</p>
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<div>Anyone ever consider an electric water pump? I don't know much about t=
hem
but it seems you'd get a constant flow rate regardless of engine speed, may=
be
even an adjustable speed with a reostat. Plus you'd gain back lost HP. Some=
of
our cars started life running 5 accessories on a belt (alternator, fan, smo=
g
pump, A/C compressor, and water pump). I'm down to only running the water p=
ump
off my belt, would be nice to have no belt at all!</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Dusty</div>
<div>FP Spit</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com></div>
<div>Date: 7/11/16 5:22 PM (GMT-06:00)</div>
<div>To: MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com></div>
<div>Cc: fot@autox.team.net</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
Yes, outlet temperature of the block is lower, outlet temperature of the
radiator is higher. Delta-T across the radiator is lower. Think of it this =
way,
Q (heat transfer) is stable at some operating point. The excess heat from t=
he
engine is equal to the heat removed from the radiator. Ignore the heat tran=
sfer
coefficient for the moment.=C2=A0
<div class=3D"">So Q for radiator =3D mass x (Tin-Tout) and Q for engine is=
mass x
(Tout-Tin). Q and M is the same for both engine and radiator and Tin of =C2=
=A0=3D Tout
of engine, likewise Tout of radiator =3D Tin of engine.</div>
<div class=3D"">=C2=A0</div>
<div class=3D"">Obvious, right. So hold everything stable and increase flow=
rate.
Obviously Tin-Tout must decrease as does Tout-Tin. The operating temperatur=
e
will depend solely on the temperature drop across the radiator. If you and =
a
lower operating temp at that Q you need a lower Tout of the radiator.=C2=A0=
</div>
<div class=3D"">=C2=A0</div>
<div class=3D"">If you increase engine load and RPM, the mass flow rate inc=
reases
with RPM, but not linearly since it=E2=80=99s a centrifugal pump. Slip gets=
worse with
RPM. The high flow rate system has a lower delta-t across the engine, but a=
lso
has a lower delta-t across the radiator. Temperature will likely climb high=
er
than with a lower flow rate system (depending on where you measure it, but =
heat
transfer rate is lower, so you might reach a point where it=E2=80=99s inade=
quate to
meet the engine demand. then Tout climbs quickly and shit happens.=C2=A0</d=
iv>
<div class=3D"">=C2=A0</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div>
<blockquote class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx <<a class=3D"" href=
=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D"">tr4racing@googlemail.com</=
a>> wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: Helve=
tica;
font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight=
:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-inde=
nt:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing:=
0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
#1f497d;">I
think alot depends on where the system finds ist balance point.</span></spa=
n>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
#1f497d;">If
more flow removes heat quicker from the engine maybe the outlet temperature=
of
the block is lower?</span></span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
#1f497d;">So
the difference of the radiator outlet might not be so much of a
problem?</span></span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
#1f497d;">The
water stays shorter in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick up that much
temperature?</span></span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;">
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color:
#1f497d;">Interesting thing to test.</span></span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
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<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color:
#1f497d;">Cheers</span></span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
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ze: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color:
#1f497d;">Chris</span></span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;">
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b5c4df;
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><strong class=3D""><span class=3D"" style=3D"fon=
t-size:
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">Von:</span></strong><span class=3D"=
" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class=
=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>Bill Babcock [<a class=3D"" style=
=3D"color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; tar=
get=3D"">mailto:ponobill@gmail.com</a>]<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space=
">=C2=A0</span><br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Gesendet:</strong><span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>Montag,
11. Juli 2016 23:41<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">An:</strong><span clas=
s=3D"Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>MadMarx<br class=3D""><strong clas=
s=3D"">Cc:</strong><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>Mordy
Dunst;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><a class=3D"" styl=
e=3D"color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@tele=
net.be" target=3D"">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>;<span class=3D"Apple-=
converted-space">=C2=A0</span><a class=3D"" style=3D"color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D""=
>fot@autox.team.net</a><br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Betreff:</strong><=
span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>Re: [Fot]
TR8 Water temperature</span></span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
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<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;">Well, you=E2=80=99ll need to get comfortable wit=
h a higher
no-load temperature, because the radiator outlet temperature will be high.=
=C2=A0
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
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</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;">Two factors to consider: Heat, which is the amou=
nt of
energy transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat transfer only in
terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means less mass flow and
therefore less heat transfer but a higher differential temperature across t=
he
radiator, high speed means more heat transfer but less differential tempera=
ture
across the radiator.=C2=A0
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;">
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<blockquote class=3D"" style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;">On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx <<a clas=
s=3D"" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:=
tr4racing@googlemail.com" target=3D"">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>> wrot=
e:
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mily:
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<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-=
family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi Mordy,</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-=
family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">there are two theories about cooling and
water flow.</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin-left: 36pt;">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1.</span><=
span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 7pt;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><span=
class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Slow speed of the
water in the radiator to give the water time to cool. That means slowing
down</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin-left: 36pt;">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">2.</span><=
span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 7pt;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><span=
class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">The other theory sais
maximizing the flow, no restriction, high coolant speed.</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">In a way I prefer the 2<sup class=3D"">n=
d</sup><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>way. And I=E2=80=
=99ll
test this version in the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors =
and see
what happens.</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Cheers</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Chris</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><a target=3D"" name=3D"_MailEndCompose"></a><spa=
n class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><strong class=3D""><span class=3D"" style=3D"fon=
t-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Von:</span></strong><span class=3D=
"apple-converted-space"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span></span><span class=3D"" sty=
le=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mordy Dunst [<a c=
lass=3D"" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mail=
to:gasket.works@gte.net" target=3D"">mailto:gasket.works@gte.net</a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br class=3D""><strong class=
=3D"">Gesendet:</strong><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>=
Sonntag,
10. Juli 2016 22:45<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">An:</strong><span clas=
s=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><a class=3D"" style=3D"color: purp=
le;
text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; targe=
t=3D"">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>;<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=
=C2=A0</span><a class=3D"" style=3D"color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"; =
target=3D"">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a><br class=3D""><strong class=
=3D"">Cc:</strong><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><a cla=
ss=3D"" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto=
:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a><br class=3D""><stro=
ng class=3D"">Betreff:</strong><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0=
</span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;">=C2=A0
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
family:
Arial, sans-serif;">Chris your the engineer....<br class=3D""><br class=3D"=
">Heat
produced vs heat removed.=C2=A0 There will be a steady state at some point.=
=C2=A0 You
would like it lower. =C2=A0 Don"t underestimate the headgasket component of
channeling coolant flow.=C2=A0 In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes di=
fferent
than original to allow the mass flow of water to occur from the rear of the
motor forward.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I also put a pressure gauge on my coolant.=C2=A0=
If the pressure
is too low it will not cool as efficiently either.=C2=A0 I don"t know what =
the
coolant=C2=A0 dwell time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb=
the heat
generated.=C2=A0 Nor the dwell time in the radiator.=C2=A0 There certainly =
calcs for all
this stuff.=C2=A0<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
family:
Arial, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font=
-family:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
family:
Arial, sans-serif;">MDunst<br class=3D""><a class=3D"" style=3D"color: purp=
le;
text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"http://headgasket.com/"; target=3D"">He=
adgasket.com</a><br class=3D"">626.628.3777 F<br class=3D"">Triple R
Munitions, Inc<br class=3D"">626.201.9471 T<br class=3D"">FFL 6,7 SOT 2<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></p>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
family:
Arial, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
family:
Arial, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font=
-family:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">F=
rom:
MadMarx <</span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial,
sans-serif;"><a class=3D"" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underli=
ne;" href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D""><span class=3D"" =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color: windowtext;">tr4racing@googlemail.com</span>=
</a></span><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f=
amily: Arial,
sans-serif;">><br class=3D"">To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' <</span><span c=
lass=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><a cla=
ss=3D"" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto=
:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be" target=3D""><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US"=
style=3D"color:
windowtext;">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a></span><span class=3D"=
" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"=
>>;
'MadMarx' <</span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family=
: Arial,
sans-serif;"><a class=3D"" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underli=
ne;" href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D""><span class=3D"" =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color: windowtext;">tr4racing@googlemail.com</span>=
</a></span><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f=
amily: Arial,
sans-serif;">><br class=3D"">Cc: fot <</span><span class=3D"" style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><a class=3D"" style=
=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D""><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color: windowt=
ext;">fot@autox.team.net</span></a></span><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">><br class=3D"=
">Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water
temperature</span></p>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
<div id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I have a 160F thermostat installed.</spa=
n>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Next test will be without any restrictio=
ns,
maximum flow and see how it goes with that.</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Chris</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: #=
e1e1e1;
border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;">
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><strong class=3D""><span class=3D"" style=3D"fon=
t-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Von:</span></strong><span class=3D=
"apple-converted-space"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span></span><span class=3D"" sty=
le=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Marcel Van Mulder=
s
[<a class=3D"" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D=
"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be?"; target=3D"">mailto:van.mulders.marc=
el@telenet.be</a>]<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br cl=
ass=3D""><strong class=3D"">Gesendet:</strong><span class=3D"apple-converte=
d-space">=C2=A0</span>Samstag,
9. Juli 2016 13:01<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">An:</strong><span class=
=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>'MadMarx' <<a class=3D"" style=
=3D"color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.co=
m" target=3D"">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>><br class=3D""><strong class=
=3D"">Cc:</strong><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><a cla=
ss=3D"" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto=
:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a><br class=3D""><stro=
ng class=3D"">Betreff:</strong><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0=
</span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;">=C2=A0
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
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</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
family:
Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;">My diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/21=
2=C2=B0F when
hot. What coolant thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=
=B0F, perhaps
it=C2=A0 is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 thermostat.</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
family:
Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;">Marcel</span>
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;">=C2=A0
<p class=3D"">=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt=
;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;" align=3D"center=
"><hr class=3D"" align=3D"center" size=3D"5" width=3D"100%">
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><strong class=3D""><span class=3D"" lang=3D"NL" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif;">Van:</span></strong><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><spa=
n class=3D"" lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span></span><span class=3D"" lang=3D"NL" style=3D"font=
-size: 10pt;
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">Fot [<a class=3D"" style=3D"color: purple=
;
text-decoration: underline;" href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class=3D"apple-c=
onverted-space">=C2=A0</span><strong class=3D"">Namens<span class=3D"apple-=
converted-space">=C2=A0</span></strong>MadMarx<br class=3D""><strong class=
=3D"">Verzonden:</strong><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span=
>donderdag 7 juli 2016 19:21<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Aan:</strong>=
<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>'FOT List'<br class=3D""=
><strong class=3D"">Onderwerp:</strong><span class=3D"apple-converted-space=
">=C2=A0</span>[Fot]
TR8 Water temperature</span>
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mily:
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font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Hi guys,</span>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
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ze: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">=C2=A0</span>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"" lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">My TR8 is running way to=
o hot
about 212F at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high also. =
I
have no idea to get them down.<br class=3D"">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 c=
m. I
suppose that should be enough. I've experiment with different restrictor pl=
ates
with no change. Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference betw=
een
radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe ma=
king the
pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, curre=
ntly
1:1 speed.<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><span c=
lass=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color=
: #1f497d;">Any
ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span>
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mily:
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family:
Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">=C2=A0</span>
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<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily:
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family:
Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Cheers</span>
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mily:
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family:
Verdana, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Chris</span>
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