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Re: [Healeys] Trafficator reinstallation issues

To: John Harper <ah100register@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Trafficator reinstallation issues
From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 13:58:05 -0400
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   - I got everything together this morning.
   -
   - I was under the mistaken impression that the three flathead screws
   shown in the earlier photo should stay in place and that three additional
   screws should pass through the plate on the end of the stator tube and
   somehow thread into the holes in the copper ring.  (Those holes and the
   three smaller holes on the plate were apparently designed to slip over
   locator pins which were present on some units, though not mine.).  In any
   case after a lot of good and patient advice from folks over on this list
   and the AH Experience site I finally saw the error of my ways, removed the
   three screws and passed them through the countersunk holes on the plate and
   into the trafficator.
   -
   - Despite varying opinions as to whether or not the olive should be
   split to allow for installation I was able to get the solid one sent to me
   by David Nock started onto the stator tube and by using the nut I drove it
   home.  I'll finish lubing and wiring tomorrow hopefully.
   -
   - This is one of those jobs that we will probably do only once if at all
   during our ownership but in case there is a "next time" for me I am now
   ready and what took me hours will probably take minutes.
   -
   - Thanks all for your patience--Michael Oritt


On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 9:45 AM John Harper via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Curt
>
> So that everybody is aware Lucas used as a general view odd sizes of BA as
> well as 5BA as you correctly said.
>
> Best regards
>
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 14:39, Curtis Arndt via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> First, I fat fingered my response, the screws are no. 5 BA.  See attached.
>>
>> Second, there should be absolutely no need for alignment pins.
>>
>> Just use the correct three countersunk holes in the stator tube, get one
>> started, center the switch on the plate, and the rest will follow.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 5:58 AM <warthodson@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have re-read your description of the problem & if I understand your
>>> issue I have 2 suggestions.
>>> Would it be possible to use some temporary, low tack glue (such as
>>> common glue stick) to adhere the thin copper or brass piece in place while
>>> you are assembling the assembly?
>>> Would it also help to only use 1 #4BA counter sunk screw & 2 longer,
>>> thinner, non-threaded, temporary "pins" to assist in alignment? The "pins"
>>> would be removed after you get one #4BA screw started enough that it would
>>> stay in place.
>>> Gary Hodson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/6/20 3:35 PM, Michael Oritt via Healeys wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     I sent my trafficator/horn assembly off to Curt Arndt for
>>> >     refurbishing and got it back in great condition. However I am
>>> >     having difficulty in reinstalling it:
>>> >
>>> >     1. I have fed the wires down the stator tube and am ready to
>>> >     attach the trafficator assembly which is done via three #4BA flat
>>> >     head machine screws that go through the countersunk holes in the
>>> >     stator tube end plate and pick up the thin copper or brass piece
>>> >     which resembles a spring washer. Because of the piece's thinness
>>> >     there is really only one thread of engagement and whenever I
>>> >     attempt to push the head/tube home into its final position I
>>> >     invariably dislodge one of the screws from the head. Am I doing
>>> >     something wrong here or am I simply being ham-handed?
>>> >
>>> >     2. Is there a trick to getting the olive over the end of the
>>> >     stator tube as I cannot get it started and before I start exerting
>>> >     force I thought I would enquire whether it needs to be heated,
>>> >     etc. Getting the old one off was not easy and i would up having to
>>> >     cut it with a dremel tool. It is possible that I have slightly
>>> >     buggered the end of the stator tube and wonder if perhaps I need
>>> >     to dress the end, chamfering it a bit?
>>> >
>>> >     Any help will be appreciated--weather is beginning to cool off and
>>> >     I would like to get the car back on the road.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     Best--Michael Oritt, 100 Le Mans
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><ul><=
li><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Cali=
bri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I got everything together this mornin=
g.=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></li><li><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-famil=
y:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span=
></li><li><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Taho=
ma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I was under the mistaken impre=
ssion that the three flathead screws shown in the earlier photo should stay=
 in place and that three additional screws should pass through the plate on=
 the end of the stator tube and somehow thread into the holes in the copper=
 ring.=C2=A0 (Those holes and the three smaller holes on the plate were app=
arently designed to slip over locator pins which were present on some units=
, though not mine.).=C2=A0 In any case after a lot of good and patient advi=
ce from folks over on this list and the AH Experience site I finally saw th=
e error of my ways, removed the three screws and passed them through the co=
untersunk holes on the plate and into the trafficator.=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></=
li><li><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Ca=
libri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></li><li><span style=3D"color:rgb(3=
4,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px">Despite varying opinions as to whether or not the olive should be =
split to allow for installation I was able to get the solid one sent to me =
by David Nock started onto the stator tube and by using the nut I drove it =
home.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll finish lubing and wiring tomorrow hopefully.=C2=A0</sp=
an></li><li><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Ta=
homa,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></li><li><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,=
sans-serif;font-size:13px">This is one of those jobs that we will probably =
do only once if at all during our ownership but in case there is a &quot;ne=
xt time&quot; for me I am now ready and what took me hours will probably ta=
ke minutes.</span></li><li><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:V=
erdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></=
li><li><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,=
Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thanks all for your patience--Mic=
hael Oritt</span></li></ul></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 9:45 AM John Harper=
 via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.te=
am.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Curt<div><br></div><div>So that everybody is aware L=
ucas used as a general view odd sizes of BA as well as 5BA as you correctly=
 said.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 14:=
39, Curtis Arndt via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Gentlemen,<div><br=
></div><div>First, I fat fingered my response, the screws are no. 5 BA.=C2=
=A0 See attached.<div><br></div><div>Second, there should be absolutely no =
need for alignment pins.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Just use the =
correct three countersunk=C2=A0holes in the stator tube, get one started, c=
enter the switch on the plate, and the rest will follow.</div></div><div><b=
r></div><div>-Curt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 5:58 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:warthodson@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">warthodson@aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif">I=
 have re-read your description of the problem &amp; if I understand your is=
sue I have 2 suggestions.=C2=A0
<div>Would it be possible to use some temporary, low tack glue (such as com=
mon glue stick) to adhere the thin copper or brass piece in place while you=
 are assembling the assembly?</div>

<div>Would it also help to only use 1 #4BA counter sunk screw &amp; 2 longe=
r, thinner, non-threaded, temporary &quot;pins&quot; to assist in alignment=
? The &quot;pins&quot; would be removed after you get one #4BA screw starte=
d enough that it would stay in place.</div>

<div>Gary Hodson=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
<br>
<br>

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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I sent my trafficator/horn assembly off to Curt Arn=
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0refurbishing and got it back in great condition. Ho=
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01. I have fed the wires down the stator tube and am=
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0attach the trafficator assembly which is done via t=
hree #4BA flat<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0head machine screws that go through the countersunk=
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stator tube end plate and pick up the thin copper o=
r brass piece<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0which resembles a spring washer. Because of the pie=
ce&#39;s thinness<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0there is really only one thread of engagement and w=
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0attempt to push the head/tube home into its final p=
osition I<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0invariably dislodge one of the screws from the head=
. Am I doing<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0something wrong here or am I simply being ham-hande=
d?<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02. Is there a trick to getting the olive over the e=
nd of the<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stator tube as I cannot get it started and before I=
 start exerting<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0force I thought I would enquire whether it needs to=
 be heated,<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0etc. Getting the old one off was not easy and i wou=
ld up having to<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cut it with a dremel tool. It is possible that I ha=
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0buggered the end of the stator tube and wonder if p=
erhaps I need<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to dress the end, chamfering it a bit?<br clear=3D"=
none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Any help will be appreciated--weather is beginning =
to cool off and<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I would like to get the car back on the road.<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
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