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To: "'Michael Salter'" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>, "'Richard Collins'" <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 08:06:35 -0400
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Besides all the equipment added to the engine radiator water system to =
keep my Healey from over heating, the addition of a gear reduction =
starter solved all the vapor lock issues starting my 67 BJ8. It starts =
the car even when the engine is hot after a long run. Greatest thing =
since sliced bread, if you want your wife to travel with you as =
generally, they do not like helping you push the car away from the gas =
pumps and standing around waiting for the car to start.  But, if you =
have a wife who likes to push your Healey, she is a keeper.

=20

Bob Begani

=20

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael =
Salter via Healeys
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 AM
To: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit

=20

Some time Richard try dribbling some cool water over the float chambers =
when the vapor occurs.=20

I'll be interested to hear how well that works to get you on your way =
again.

=20

M

=20

On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 12:02 a.m. Richard Collins via Healeys, =

My vapor lock issue occurs for example at long stop lights in hot =
weather as expected to some extant, not while driving; but the other day =
when I stopped to refuel, the heatsink after turning off the engine =
caused the gauge to hit 200 which vapor locks me every time. So I push =
back, lift the lid and air the engine for 10-15 minutes and then it =
fires up. That usually attracts an audience which helps pass the time.   =
:-)
A pulley change on my car wouldn=E2=80=99t make a difference IMO.=20

=20

Regards,=20

Richard C

BN7 440





On Jun 3, 2021, at 22:32, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net =

=EF=BB=BF Somewhat relevant, I hope: Has anyone tried putting a smaller =
pulley on the water pump for more flow? Would that just make =
turbulence/cavitation in the pump and hose?

bs



On 6/3/2021 2:11 PM, Bob Begani via Healeys wrote:

Hi Ira:

=20

I am not familiar with the direction of air around the radiator in the =
BN4, however, the BJ8=E2=80=99s has deflectors built in to the frame in =
front of the radiator, but, not for the wind that drops down under the =
radiator.  So the introduction of the shovel from the frame to the =
radiator produces a hurricane velocity up and through the radiator on =
the BJ8. That alone should be sufficient to cool water.  But it does not =
move the water very fast through the engine back to the radiator, =
especially under low rpms.  So I have introduced an electric water pump =
(Aussie idea, as it does get hot down under) to keep the flow of water =
through the radiator to the engine through the water pump and back to =
the radiator.  it adds 150 liter per minute to the trickle produced by =
the mechanical pump.  I fact one of the listeners commented that he =
could turn off the fan and just keep the water pump operating on highway =
speeds. It was easy to install using existing hoses cut in half going =
from the bottom of the radiator up to the inlet on the engine, and 2 x =
1/8th diameter holes in the thermostat to allow the water to flow during =
engine warm up.

=20

After a run, I keep both the fan/EWP operating for a few min after the =
engine shut down which helps to reduce flashing of the hot water.  And, =
I have a large radiator overflow container to absorb boil over.

=20

Why do you think most cars and trucks have electric fans, overflow =
containers, and some have an electric water pump.  21st century =
technology verses our 20th century.  They even have AC power steering =
etc. systems as standard equipment.

=20

Best regards,

=20

Bob Begani

=20

=20

=20

<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of i erbs via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 4:08 PM
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] air ducting kit

=20

I have not had my grille in my BN4 for a long time and it has become an =
identifying feature of my car. I have a grille, I just have had various =
reasons to not instal it. I like the Rally grill look and have been =
looking at the Cape International kits to accomplish the look. Plus =
anything that directs more air through the Rad cores is good .

So has anyone done this or another kit?

https://cape-international.com/parts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4-bj8/

https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-grille-kit-bn4-bj8/

Ira Erbs

Milwaukie,OR

      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)

          BT7 engine and disk brakes

=20

=20

1967 MGB    =
<http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg>=20

=20

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti

Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

=20

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Besides all =
the equipment added to the engine radiator water system to keep my =
Healey from over heating, the addition of a gear reduction starter =
solved all the vapor lock issues starting my 67 BJ8. It starts the car =
even when the engine is hot after a long run. Greatest thing since =
sliced bread, if you want your wife to travel with you as generally, =
they do not like helping you push the car away from the gas pumps and =
standing around waiting for the car to start.=C2=A0 But, if you have a =
wife who likes to push your Healey, she is a =
keeper.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob =
Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Healeys &lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Michael Salter via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Richard Collins =
&lt;gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] air ducting =
kit<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Some =
time Richard try dribbling some cool water over the float chambers when =
the vapor occurs.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I'll be =
interested to hear how well that works to get you on your way =
again.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>M<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 12:02 a.m. Richard Collins via Healeys, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My =
vapor lock issue occurs for example at long stop lights in hot weather =
as expected to some extant, not while driving; but the other day when I =
stopped to refuel, the heatsink after turning off the engine caused the =
gauge to hit 200 which vapor locks me every time. So I push back, lift =
the lid and air the engine for 10-15 minutes and then it fires up. That =
usually attracts an audience which helps pass the time. &nbsp; :-)<br>A =
pulley change on my car wouldn=E2=80=99t make a difference IMO. =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Regards, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Richard C<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>BN7 440<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 3, 2021, at 22:32, Bob Spidell =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>=EF=BB=BF Somewhat relevant, I hope: Has =
anyone tried putting a smaller pulley on the water pump for more flow? =
Would that just make turbulence/cavitation in the pump and =
hose?<br><br>bs<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
6/3/2021 2:11 PM, Bob Begani via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hi =
Ira:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I am not =
familiar with the direction of air around the radiator in the BN4, =
however, the BJ8=E2=80=99s has deflectors built in to the frame in front =
of the radiator, but, not for the wind that drops down under the =
radiator.&nbsp; So the introduction of the shovel from the frame to the =
radiator produces a hurricane velocity up and through the radiator on =
the BJ8. That alone should be sufficient to cool water.&nbsp; But it =
does not move the water very fast through the engine back to the =
radiator, especially under low rpms.&nbsp; So I have introduced an =
electric water pump (Aussie idea, as it does get hot down under) to keep =
the flow of water through the radiator to the engine through the water =
pump and back to the radiator.&nbsp; it adds 150 liter per minute to the =
trickle produced by the mechanical pump.&nbsp; I fact one of the =
listeners commented that he could turn off the fan and just keep the =
water pump operating on highway speeds. It was easy to install using =
existing hoses cut in half going from the bottom of the radiator up to =
the inlet on the engine, and 2 x 1/8<sup>th</sup> diameter holes in the =
thermostat to allow the water to flow during engine warm =
up.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>After a run, I =
keep both the fan/EWP operating for a few min after the engine shut down =
which helps to reduce flashing of the hot water.&nbsp; And, I have a =
large radiator overflow container to absorb boil =
over.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Why do you =
think most cars and trucks have electric fans, overflow containers, and =
some have an electric water pump.&nbsp; 21<sup>st</sup> century =
technology verses our 20<sup>th</sup> century.&nbsp; They even have AC =
power steering etc. systems as standard =
equipment.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Best =
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob =
Begani</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a> <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>i erbs via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 3, 2021 =
4:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ahealey help <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br><b>Subject:</b> =
[Healeys] air ducting kit<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have not =
had my grille in my BN4 for a long time and it has become an identifying =
feature of my car. I have a grille, I just have had various reasons to =
not instal it. I like the Rally grill look and have been looking at the =
Cape International kits to accomplish the look. Plus anything that =
directs more air through the Rad cores is good =
.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So has =
anyone done this or another kit?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://cape-international.com/parts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4=
-bj8/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://cape-international.com/parts/radiator-air-ducti=
ng-kit-bn4-bj8/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-grille-kit-bn4-bj8/"; =
target=3D"_blank">https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-grille-kit-bn=
4-bj8/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ira =
Erbs<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Milwaukie,OR=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
_______ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______<br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk =
brakes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1967 MGB =
&nbsp;<img border=3D0 width=3D50 height=3D49 =
style=3D'width:.525in;height:.5083in' id=3D"_x0000_i1025" =
src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg"; =
alt=3DMG><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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