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early Datsun 240Z engines has a small blower and ducting which blew air
on the SU like carbs..
On 6/4/2021 7:11 AM, Perry Small via Healeys wrote:
> What is the connection between vapor lock (a fuel delivery problem)
> and a gear reduction starter (consistent rotation of the crank) ?
>
> Also the key to cooling an engine via a radiator ( heat exchanger) is
> air flow. It seems correct that moving the water too quickly through
> the exchanger will limit the loss of heat from the coolant but air
> flow is very important. The stock AH fans do not move many CFMs. Thus
> the reason the cars seem to do well, temp wise, at speed but very
> poorly idling along in a holiday parade!
> P
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM, rfbegani@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Besides all the equipment added to the engine radiator water system
>> to keep my Healey from over heating, the addition of a gear reduction
>> starter solved all the vapor lock issues starting my 67 BJ8. It
>> starts the car even when the engine is hot after a long run. Greatest
>> thing since sliced bread, if you want your wife to travel with you as
>> generally, they do not like helping you push the car away from the
>> gas pumps and standing around waiting for the car to start. But, if
>> you have a wife who likes to push your Healey, she is a keeper.
>>
>> Bob Begani
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of
>> *Michael Salter via Healeys
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 AM
>> *To:* Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com>
>> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit
>>
>> Some time Richard try dribbling some cool water over the float
>> chambers when the vapor occurs.
>>
>> I'll be interested to hear how well that works to get you on your way
>> again.
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 12:02 a.m. Richard Collins via Healeys,
>>
>> My vapor lock issue occurs for example at long stop lights in hot
>> weather as expected to some extant, not while driving; but the
>> other day when I stopped to refuel, the heatsink after turning
>> off the engine caused the gauge to hit 200 which vapor locks me
>> every time. So I push back, lift the lid and air the engine for
>> 10-15 minutes and then it fires up. That usually attracts an
>> audience which helps pass the time. Â :-)
>> A pulley change on my car wouldnâ??t make a difference IMO.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard C
>>
>> BN7 440
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 22:32, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net
>>
>>  Somewhat relevant, I hope: Has anyone tried putting a
>> smaller pulley on the water pump for more flow? Would that
>> just make turbulence/cavitation in the pump and hose?
>>
>> bs
>>
>> On 6/3/2021 2:11 PM, Bob Begani via Healeys wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ira:
>>
>> I am not familiar with the direction of air around the
>> radiator in the BN4, however, the BJ8â??s has deflectors
>> built in to the frame in front of the radiator, but, not
>> for the wind that drops down under the radiator. So the
>> introduction of the shovel from the frame to the radiator
>> produces a hurricane velocity up and through the radiator
>> on the BJ8. That alone should be sufficient to cool
>> water. But it does not move the water very fast through
>> the engine back to the radiator, especially under low
>> rpms. So I have introduced an electric water pump
>> (Aussie idea, as it does get hot down under) to keep the
>> flow of water through the radiator to the engine through
>> the water pump and back to the radiator. it adds 150
>> liter per minute to the trickle produced by the
>> mechanical pump. I fact one of the listeners commented
>> that he could turn off the fan and just keep the water
>> pump operating on highway speeds. It was easy to install
>> using existing hoses cut in half going from the bottom of
>> the radiator up to the inlet on the engine, and 2 x
>> 1/8^th diameter holes in the thermostat to allow the
>> water to flow during engine warm up.
>>
>> After a run, I keep both the fan/EWP operating for a few
>> min after the engine shut down which helps to reduce
>> flashing of the hot water. And, I have a large radiator
>> overflow container to absorb boil over.
>>
>> Why do you think most cars and trucks have electric fans,
>> overflow containers, and some have an electric water
>> pump. 21^st century technology verses our 20^th
>> century. They even have AC power steering etc. systems
>> as standard equipment.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bob Begani
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
>> erbs via Healeys
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 3, 2021 4:08 PM
>> *To:* Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Healeys] air ducting kit
>>
>> I have not had my grille in my BN4 for a long time and it
>> has become an identifying feature of my car. I have a
>> grille, I just have had various reasons to not instal it.
>> I like the Rally grill look and have been looking at the
>> Cape International kits to accomplish the look. Plus
>> anything that directs more air through the Rad cores is
>> good .
>>
>> So has anyone done this or another kit?
>>
>>
>> https://cape-international.com/parts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4-bj8/
>>
>> <https://cape-international.com/parts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4-bj8/>
>>
>> https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-grille-kit-bn4-bj8/
>> <https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-grille-kit-bn4-bj8/>
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>>
>> Milwaukie,OR
>>
>> Â Â _______ Â Â _______
>> Â Â Â (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
>> (_________________________)
>>
>> Â Â Â Â Â BT7 engine and disk brakes
>>
>> 1967 MGB MG
>>
>> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments.
>> Mario Andretti
>>
>> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>>
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<p>early Datsun 240Z engines has a small blower and ducting which
blew air on the SU like carbs..<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/4/2021 7:11 AM, Perry Small via
Healeys wrote:<br>
</div>
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cite="mid:5BB389E2-C858-4FC4-87F7-D25EB95E02FE@aol.com">
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What is the connection between vapor lock (a fuel delivery
problem) and a gear reduction starter (consistent rotation of the
crank) ?Â
<div><br>
<div>Also the key to cooling an engine via a radiator ( heat
exchanger) is air flow. It seems correct that moving the water
too quickly through the exchanger will limit the loss of heat
from the coolant but air flow is very important. The stock AH
fans do not move many CFMs. Thus the reason the cars seem to
do well, temp wise, at speed but very poorly idling along in a
holiday parade! </div>
<div>P<br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";>rfbegani@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Besides
all the equipment added to the engine radiator water
system to keep my Healey from over heating, the
addition of a gear reduction starter solved all the
vapor lock issues starting my 67 BJ8. It starts the
car even when the engine is hot after a long run.
Greatest thing since sliced bread, if you want your
wife to travel with you as generally, they do not
like helping you push the car away from the gas
pumps and standing around waiting for the car to
start. But, if you have a wife who likes to push
your Healey, she is a keeper.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Bob
Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a>
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Michael Salter via Healeys<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Richard Collins
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com";><gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Some time Richard try dribbling
some cool water over the float chambers when the
vapor occurs. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'll be interested to hear how
well that works to get you on your way
again.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">M<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 12:02
a.m. Richard Collins via Healeys, <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My vapor lock issue occurs
for example at long stop lights in hot weather
as expected to some extant, not while driving;
but the other day when I stopped to refuel, the
heatsink after turning off the engine caused the
gauge to hit 200 which vapor locks me every
time. So I push back, lift the lid and air the
engine for 10-15 minutes and then it fires up.
That usually attracts an audience which helps
pass the time. Â :-)<br>
A pulley change on my car wouldnâ??t make a
difference IMO. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards, <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Richard C<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">BN7 440<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jun 3,
2021, at 22:32, Bob Spidell <<a
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> Somewhat
relevant, I hope: Has anyone tried putting
a smaller pulley on the water pump for
more flow? Would that just make
turbulence/cavitation in the pump and
hose?<br>
<br>
bs<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/3/2021 2:11 PM,
Bob Begani via Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi
Ira:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am
not familiar with the direction of
air around the radiator in the BN4,
however, the BJ8â??s has deflectors
built in to the frame in front of
the radiator, but, not for the wind
that drops down under the radiator.Â
So the introduction of the shovel
from the frame to the radiator
produces a hurricane velocity up and
through the radiator on the BJ8.
That alone should be sufficient to
cool water. But it does not move
the water very fast through the
engine back to the radiator,
especially under low rpms. So I
have introduced an electric water
pump (Aussie idea, as it does get
hot down under) to keep the flow of
water through the radiator to the
engine through the water pump and
back to the radiator. it adds 150
liter per minute to the trickle
produced by the mechanical pump. I
fact one of the listeners commented
that he could turn off the fan and
just keep the water pump operating
on highway speeds. It was easy to
install using existing hoses cut in
half going from the bottom of the
radiator up to the inlet on the
engine, and 2 x 1/8<sup>th</sup>
diameter holes in the thermostat to
allow the water to flow during
engine warm up.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">After
a run, I keep both the fan/EWP
operating for a few min after the
engine shut down which helps to
reduce flashing of the hot water.Â
And, I have a large radiator
overflow container to absorb boil
over.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Why do
you think most cars and trucks have
electric fans, overflow containers,
and some have an electric water
pump. 21<sup>st</sup> century
technology verses our 20<sup>th</sup>
century. They even have AC power
steering etc. systems as standard
equipment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Bob
Begani</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Healeys <a
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>i erbs via
Healeys<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 3, 2021
4:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ahealey help <a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] air
ducting kit<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
have not had my grille in my BN4
for a long time and it has become
an identifying feature of my car.
I have a grille, I just have had
various reasons to not instal it.
I like the Rally grill look and
have been looking at the Cape
International kits to accomplish
the look. Plus anything that
directs more air through the Rad
cores is good .<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So
has anyone done this or another
kit?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
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