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Alright so far. 25 years or so=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..
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From: David Nock <healeydoc@sbcglobal.net>=20
Sent: 19 September 2025 17:27
To: Simon Lachlan <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com>; Harold Manifold =
<manifold@telus.net>
Cc: Richard Antal <rantal243@yahoo.com>; Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] radiator thermostat
=20
If you are using the original style Bellow thermostat be sure that you =
DO NOT use a higher pressure radiator cap. If you run a bellow =
thermostat and a higher pressure cap the excess pressure will close the =
thermostat once the cooling system gets up to temperature. Causing the =
engine to overheat.
=20
=20
On 9/18/2025 1:15 PM, Simon Lachlan wrote:
Hi, =20
The original sleeved ones are - I think - easier to find in the UK. =
Certainly, I managed to find a few. I was advised that the Morgan people =
were a good source. I bought mine on eBay but that was a while ago. =
Simon
Sent from my iPhone
<manifold@telus.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF=20
Hi All,
=20
Thermostats and Healey cooling always generate interesting discussions, =
and I'd like to clarify my previous comments on what controls (or often =
doesn't control) the coolant temperature.
=20
To summarize some of the points made: Coolant flows down the radiator, =
out the bottom hose, and into the water pump. It's then pumped into the =
engine block's cooling jacket. The goal is to direct the coolest fluid =
to the hottest part of the engine for optimal heat transfer (i.e., the =
largest delta T). The coolant, having absorbed heat, then moves up to =
the cylinder head, through the thermostat, and back to the radiator. =
This process is known as thermosiphoning, where heated coolant rises =
through the engine and falls as it cools in the radiator.
=20
The heat generated by the engine is a function of the combustion process =
(timing, carburation, etc.) and horsepower efficiency loss. More =
horsepower output means more heat transferred to the coolant. The =
radiator removes this heat, but its effectiveness is proportional to the =
difference between the air and coolant temperatures.
=20
Assuming the radiator has sufficient capacity to remove heat, if the =
coolant temperature the thermostat "sees" is less than its opening =
temperature plus 20 degrees, the thermostat will slightly close to =
restrict flow to the radiator. In this scenario, the thermostat is =
actively controlling the coolant temperature. However, if the coolant =
temperature exceeds 20 degrees above the thermostat's opening =
temperature, then the coolant temperature is primarily a function of the =
incoming air temperature, and the thermostat is no longer a factor. In =
such cases, the coolant temperature is effectively uncontrolled by the =
thermostat.
=20
To add to the discussion, the engine fan has minimal effect at speeds =
greater than 15 miles per hour.
=20
Harold
=20
On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 8:46=E2=80=AFAM David Nock via Healeys =
The thermostat does not control the high end temperature of the engine. =
Its job is to get the engine up to an operating temperature as soon as =
possible. Then in maintains the low end temperature of the engine. Once =
the thermostat is open the engine temperature is controlled by the =
radiator, radiator fan and air flow.
On the 6 cylinder engine there is a sleeve attached to the thermostat, =
that blocks off a bypass in the cylinder head. The bypass is there to =
allow the coolant to flow when the thermostat is closed. Once the =
thermostat is open the sleeve is there to block the bypass allowing ALL =
the coolant to flow thru the radiator.=20
David Nock
British Car Specialists
=20
On 9/17/2025 12:54 PM, Richard Mayor wrote:
165 is too cold for good running. Our engines run better in the 180 to =
190 range. =20
=20
=20
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 17, 2025, at 12:13=E2=80=AFPM, Robert Markovich via Healeys =
=EF=BB=BF 165 is the one I use
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On Wednesday, September 17, 2025, 2:50 PM, Richard Antal via Healeys =
Gents,
What is the desired coolant temperature for optimal engine =
performance? I've searched the tech articles and can find nothing that =
specifically answers that question. This summer my BJ8 seemed to run =
fine with a 160 thermostat which, according to the gauge which I've =
checked and found to be accurate, kept the coolant at around 165. Thanks =
to all who respond.
rich antal
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Alright so far. 25 years or =
so=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm;font-size:pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> David Nock =
<healeydoc@sbcglobal.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> 19 September 2025 =
17:27<br><b>To:</b> Simon Lachlan =
<simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com>; Harold Manifold =
<manifold@telus.net><br><b>Cc:</b> Richard Antal =
<rantal243@yahoo.com>; Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] radiator =
thermostat<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>If you are using the original =
style Bellow thermostat be sure that you DO NOT use a higher pressure =
radiator cap. If you run a bellow thermostat and a higher pressure cap =
the excess pressure will close the thermostat once the cooling system =
gets up to temperature. Causing the engine to =
overheat.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 9/18/2025 1:15 PM, Simon Lachlan =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =
original sleeved ones are - I think - easier to find in the UK. =
Certainly, I managed to find a few. I was advised that the Morgan people =
were a good source. I bought mine on eBay but that was a while ago. =
Simon<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On 18 Sep 2025, at 18:54, Harold Manifold =
<a href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net";><manifold@telus.net></a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>=EF=BB=BF</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
All,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thermostats and Healey cooling always generate =
interesting discussions, and I'd like to clarify my previous comments on =
what controls (or often doesn't control) the coolant =
temperature.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>To summarize some of the points made: Coolant flows =
down the radiator, out the bottom hose, and into the water pump. It's =
then pumped into the engine block's cooling jacket. The goal is to =
direct the coolest fluid to the hottest part of the engine for optimal =
heat transfer (i.e., the largest delta T). The coolant, having absorbed =
heat, then moves up to the cylinder head, through the thermostat, and =
back to the radiator. This process is known as thermosiphoning, where =
heated coolant rises through the engine and falls as it cools in the =
radiator.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The heat generated by the engine is a function of the =
combustion process (timing, carburation, etc.) and horsepower efficiency =
loss. More horsepower output means more heat transferred to the coolant. =
The radiator removes this heat, but its effectiveness is proportional to =
the difference between the air and coolant =
temperatures.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Assuming the radiator has sufficient capacity to =
remove heat, if the coolant temperature the thermostat "sees" =
is less than its opening temperature plus 20 degrees, the thermostat =
will slightly close to restrict flow to the radiator. In this scenario, =
the thermostat is actively controlling the coolant temperature. However, =
if the coolant temperature exceeds 20 degrees above the thermostat's =
opening temperature, then the coolant temperature is primarily a =
function of the incoming air temperature, and the thermostat is no =
longer a factor. In such cases, the coolant temperature is effectively =
uncontrolled by the thermostat.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>To add to the discussion, the engine fan has minimal =
effect at speeds greater than 15 miles per =
hour.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Harold<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 8:46<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>AM David Nock =
via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p>The thermostat does =
not control the high end temperature of the engine. Its job is to get =
the engine up to an operating temperature as soon as possible. Then in =
maintains the low end temperature of the engine. Once the thermostat is =
open the engine temperature is controlled by the radiator, radiator fan =
and air flow.<o:p></o:p></p><p>On the 6 cylinder engine there is a =
sleeve attached to the thermostat, that blocks off a bypass in the =
cylinder head. The bypass is there to allow the coolant to flow when the =
thermostat is closed. Once the thermostat is open the sleeve is there to =
block the bypass allowing ALL the coolant to flow thru the =
radiator. <o:p></o:p></p><p>David Nock<o:p></o:p></p><p>British Car =
Specialists<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 9/17/2025 12:54 PM, Richard Mayor =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>165 =
is too cold for good running. Our engines run better in the 180 to =
190 range. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Sep 17, 2025, at 12:13<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>PM, Robert =
Markovich via Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
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href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net></a> =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> =
What is the desired coolant temperature for optimal engine =
performance? I've searched the tech articles and can find nothing that =
specifically answers that question. This summer my BJ8 seemed to run =
fine with a 160 thermostat which, according to the gauge which I've =
checked and found to be accurate, kept the coolant at around 165. Thanks =
to all who respond.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>rich =
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