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Re: concerning tires

To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@amoproductions.com>
Subject: Re: concerning tires
From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:30:07 -0500
It does for bikes, but they don't mention it for cars. Maybe there is amiss
print? The 1999 rule book (page 15) says: "Up to 250 MPH - Shaved narrow
tread Super Speedway tires". Don't know that there is such a thing. Is it
possible that it should read: 'Shaved narrow tread OR Super Speedway tires'?

John Beckett, LSR #79



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@amoproductions.com>
To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: concerning tires


> I also believe that tire shaving also makes your speed rating 1 higher for
> shaved tires.
>
> Jonathan Amo
>
>
> John Beckett wrote:
>
> > John
> >
> > I believe the reason for shaving tires is to reduce the weight and
therefore
> > the effects that centrifugal force would have on the tire at high speed
> > (RPM).
> > And half tread should work just fine.
> >
> > Rolling resistance is a whole other matter, but it can't be that much.
My
> > timeslips from Maxton and Bonneville would indicate that altitude, and
> > slipery salt, are bigger factors than rolling resistance.
> >
> > John Beckett, LSR #79
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john robinson" <john@engr.wisc.edu>
> > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 9:09 AM
> > Subject: concerning tires
> >
> > > Howdy,
> > > A few of questions and observations:
> > > I'm running "H" rated street radials on my H/CC at the Salt, they have
an
> > > aggressive tread design, and one of the safety techs said that I
should
> > > shave the tread for better speed. Somewhere I read that the
coefficient of
> > > friction of the Salt is on the order of cold wet asphalt, and my
feelings
> > > were (when I purchased the tires) that the aggressive tread would help
in
> > > traction. my speeds are 130-150, (150 hope full, anyway) Any thoughts
> > here?
> > > Also, I've been reading Forbes Aird 's book "Aerodynamics" published
by
> > > HPBooks1997, he has a very good section on tires and rolling
resistance at
> > > the Salt, and it states in a passage relating to the Summers Brothers
> > > Goldenrod that the tires soaked up 61% of the total drag at the record
> > > speed, although the tire model used in the equation was based on 60
year
> > > old data... are there any newer equations available? anybody know how
to
> > > test rolling resistance? or where I can get the info to do a rolling
> > > resistance test?
> > > Another book I just picked up and although it is directed at and about
the
> > > solar vehicles built at various universities,  is "The Leading Edge"
by
> > > Goro Tamai, published by Robert Bentley1999. This book is focused on
low
> > > speed aerodynamics and many of the concepts can be transferred to LSR.
> > > Although it does have advanced math in it, with the limited algebra I
> > > studied in high school, (well OK attended class and worried about
pimples,
> > > girls and cars) I am able to follow most of it....probably because I
read
> > > the Aird book first, easily understood math in it.
> > > Two years or so ago, Motion Software (the Desktop Dyno people) were
> > > developing a game/engine test software about Bonneville. It seems to
have
> > > been in development, and then it died, anybody heard of it? got any
> > insight
> > > about why the program went away? they don't seem to answer their
email,
> > > although they are still in business. I'd like to get my hands on it,
just
> > > to play with it.
> > > anybody got any other reading material they'd like to share?
> > > anyway, that's about it for now, drive careful
> > >
> > >               John Robinson, Mechanician
> > >    Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin
> > >                  1513 University Ave.
> > >                   Madison, Wi. 53706
> > >                      608-262-3606
> > >                    FAX 608-265-2316
> > > Current World Land Speed Record Holder
> > > Bonneville Salt Flats
> > >             H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt
> > >    131.333 MPH set 1995
> > >    136.666 MPH set 1996
> > >
> > >
>




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