Kieth(John),to my point-which individual is resposible for what?Does ECTA have
a structure and if so,what is it?Do members of the "board" meet to discuss
things and vote on suggestions or........?And yes brewski's are always a
necessity for these types of discussions.
Tim
Keith Turk wrote:
> Shoot Tim.... I think the ECTA is Easy....Talk to John Beckett...Bill
> Mackey... Lionel Williams... Joe Timney.... and if your still on your feet
> then....maybe something will change....
>
> Being on your feet is directly Proportional to the amount of Beer one
> brings to the Inquisition.... K
>
> ----------
> > From: tim schoeny <tschoen@fuse.net>
> > To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> > Cc: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: Dan Warner
> > Date: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:35 PM
> >
> > This disscussion (how rules are made and changes/suggestions handled) has
> caused
> > me to ask the same question of ECTA.How does one impact the ECTA
> process?In
> > general I don't have any serious problems with the status quo-but I have
> no idea
> > who's in charge of what concering the process.Dan's insight on SCTA was
> very
> > helpfull-would someone from ECTA comment on their process?
> > Tim Schoeny
> >
> > Keith Turk wrote:
> >
> > > First and Foremost I didn't mean to put you on the spot Dan.... You
> also
> > > are a Volunteer... and someone I consider a Personal Freind... Just by
> Being
> > > here and helping out with questions you lend a Tremendous Credibity to
> this
> > > Group... and For the Benifet of the new folks here.... I am sure I
> speak for
> > > the masses when I say " Thank you" I have said it before many times...
> but
> > > it deserves to be said more often...
> > >
> > > Thank you for taking the time to explain this to us Again....
> > >
> > > Keith Turk ( hey Dan.... I do appreciate it...)
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:51 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Rules/wankel engine size factor.........
> > >
> > > > Keith & list,
> > > >
> > > > Of course you have a vote! Now with the internet more than ever. We
> have
> > > > covered this before but, for the new people here we go.
> > > >
> > > > There is available at each SCTA/BNI/USFRA meet a Rule Change form.
> This is
> > > > in the registration/impound area. It is not a requirement that this
> form
> > > be
> > > > used.
> > > >
> > > > There is published in the rule book a rule change cutoff date, this
> is
> > > > usually the end of October. This gives me time to collect all the
> > > requests,
> > > > put them into order and prepare the rules committee members for up
> coming
> > > > meetings. We generally have two meetings in November to discuss and
> > > > formulate proposed rules changes.
> > > >
> > > > I then put these changes into the format they will appear in the
> rulebook
> > > to
> > > > present to the Board of Directors for voting at the first meeting in
> > > > December. This will ensure that the rulebook can be published in
> January.
> > > >
> > > > There is a published list of Committee Chairpersons in the SCTA
> > > newsletter,
> > > > the Straightaway News. These people can be contacted for any rules
> > > > clarifications or suggested change input. The head tech persons for
> 2001
> > > > will again be Steve Batchelor for cars and Dale Martin for
> motorcycles.
> > > > Their contact information can be found in the 2000 rulebook. If they
> > > cannot
> > > > answer a question they can point you to the correct committee for a
> more
> > > > detailed explanation. All committee and board persons are unpaid
> > > volunteers.
> > > > Unfortunately we cannot force a volunteer to become internet active.
> > > >
> > > > With the advent of the internet and this list our little world has
> become
> > > > ever smaller. Way back in the '70s when I started LSR the rules were
> done
> > > in
> > > > one night by two people from Southern Cal. and approved without
> question.
> > > >
> > > > Our rules committee now has representation from each category,
> Special
> > > > Construction, Vintage, etc., the USFRA and the ECTA. Through email
> ideas
> > > can
> > > > be freely exchanged and valuable input from the entrants evaluated.
> > > >
> > > > Plans are being formulated for 2001 to improve the process by
> addressing
> > > > each suggestion as it is proposed and becoming proactive. We will put
> all
> > > > valid change suggestions out to committee for review as it comes in.
> This
> > > > way the suggested change can become a solid recommendation with input
> from
> > > > the originator and other interested parties.
> > > >
> > > > When making a change suggestion it is helpful that you do some
> research.
> > > > Indicate the old rule and why you think it should be changed with
> > > > suggestions as to how it should be changed.
> > > >
> > > > I think I have run on enough - if there any questions pertaining to
> the
> > > > rules process, please feel free to post them.
> > > >
> > > > Dan Warner
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> > > > To: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>;
> Lee
> > > > Kennedy <leekenn@pacbell.net>; Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>;
> Mike
> > > > Manghelli <mmanghel@hughes.net>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 5:18 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Rules/wankel engine size factor.........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dave I really don't have a dog in this fight... But I would like to
> see
> > > > some
> > > > > of the questions you posed answered....
> > > > >
> > > > > Like how do I change a Rule? What are the Procedures? Who do I
> > > contact?
> > > > > What do I have to Write? What Proof has to be Given of my claim?
> > > > >
> > > > > And in My humble opinion..... DO WE HAVE A VOICE?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think all concerned here agree that the whole Bonneville
> Experience is
> > > > an
> > > > > Amatuer and Volunteer effort.... As such do the folks seeking
> records on
> > > > the
> > > > > salt have a Voice? Can we submit and or seek changes to the
> rules...
> > > and
> > > > if
> > > > > we do can we expect a fair and honest appraisal of our words? I
> think
> > > > it's
> > > > > important to the health of our sport...
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith Turk
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren@snet.net>
> > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>; "Lee Kennedy"
> <leekenn@pacbell.net>;
> > > "Dan
> > > > > Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>; "Mike Cook"
> <beauty1@hughes.net>;
> > > "Mike
> > > > > Manghelli" <mmanghel@hughes.net>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:06 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rules/wankel engine size factor.........
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > To all that might be interested...
> > > > > > It's been over 24 hrs... Not a word although 178 previous
> > > > > > e-mails on the subject not counting the ones i wrote.... Not
> > > > > > even a public show of hands from people here that are in
> > > > > > support, against and or think this needs to be addressed..
> > > > > > message received.. I have my own theories as to why it is so
> > > > > > quiet on this subject, but in general for peace and harmony
> > > > > > and good will to all i think the wise thing to do is just
> > > > > > keep them to myself. everybody have a good day, stand tall
> > > > > > if you can and if you can't, avoid mirrors as they never
> > > > > > lie.
> > > > > > Dave Dahlgren (where it is 8:00 am EST)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave Dahlgren wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It has been said that there is a rules meeting in Jan. What
> > > > > > > do I have to do to bring up a rules change for the
> > > > > > > Wankel(aka rotary) engine size factor for serious
> > > > > > > discussion? It has been e-mailed to death all over this
> > > > > > > group and to many individuals with all sorts of information
> > > > > > > to support it. can this be done via e-mail? if so to whom? i
> > > > > > > honestly think that waiting another year is a complete
> > > > > > > dis-service to the members of the LSR community that are
> > > > > > > interested or might consider building a car that uses on of
> > > > > > > these cheap and readily available power plants.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So how is it done?
> > > > > > > Can it be done?
> > > > > > > Can it be done by phone or fax or e-mail?
> > > > > > > Is there any interest in changing this rule?
> > > > > > > Is there any information lacking that has not been passed
> > > > > > > around on the net?
> > > > > > > Does anyone that makes the rules have any questions at all
> > > > > > > or is there any info that I have left out in all the
> > > > > > > e-mails?
> > > > > > > Out of the people that have been included in this e-mail is
> > > > > > > anyone that helps make these decisions been left out?
> > > > > > > If so how are they contacted?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am hoping for a free exchange of ideas on this subject
> > > > > > > with some honest thought involved that is based on facts not
> > > > > > > history and personal feelings. I personally find it very
> > > > > > > hard to believe that FIA and SCCA is all screwed up in their
> > > > > > > use of engine factors of 2.1......... They have very good
> > > > > > > engineers that work on these subjects on a regular basis and
> > > > > > > represent both national and inter-national competition.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the answers to the above questions are no there is no
> > > > > > > interest and there is no desire to change anything or even
> > > > > > > consider any change for the benefit of the LSR community or
> > > > > > > to align SCTA with the rest of the world, please do me a
> > > > > > > small favor, actually two small favors.
> > > > > > > First is let that feeling be known publicly on the net at
> > > > > > > this e-mail group accompanied with the reasons why it can
> > > > > > > not or will not be changed along with the facts that made
> > > > > > > this decision the correct one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The other favor is small but personal, please leave off any
> > > > > > > personal attacks. I am not up to another tirade of being
> > > > > > > called a "Hot Shot wanna-be engineer" or sending out a bunch
> > > > > > > of crap! I do at times find great humor in it though when i
> > > > > > > watch Speedvision and ESPN and cars that I have supplied
> > > > > > > parts, done design work or personally tuned are very busy
> > > > > > > winning.....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dave Dahlgren
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