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Re: International Records

To: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
Subject: Re: International Records
From: "Mike Manghelli" <mmanghel@hughes.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:53:02 -0800
Ok, I knew there were motorcycle guys and gals out there but, I ignored that
to get some points across.

The answer is NO.  I can hear you now......   We are working on FIM
sanctioning for the motorcycle guys at World Finals, since the FIA does not
have a class for motorcycles.  Now, most motorcycle records for the FIM are
set with streamliners, so where does that leave Joe and Jon with their bike?
We were going to allow you to run on the FIA/FIM/BNI international course if
you could run within 3% of the existing FIM record for the class your bike
would run against.  We were only allowing this because we understand that
some of you guys are going faster with street bikes than the FIM
streamliners have set records at.  And Yes, you were going to pay for the
extra course prep and also the sanctioning fee for the AMA and FIM, just
like the car guys do for the SCCA and FIA.  Would this be a BNI
international record also?  Because the World Finals got canceled this year
the SCTA/BNI board did not get that far, but my opinion is yes...  Now
remember that we were going to have two courses at the World Finals; regular
5 mile SCTA/BNI course and an 11 mile FIA/FIM/BNI international course.
Cars for international records were going to be on the 11 mile course!  All
the rest of us lowly SCTA/BNI racers were going to be on the 5 mile course
(unless you only qualified for short, then you could only run 3 of the 5.
here again the SCTA/BNI will not allow a longer course than defined for
their records.)

Again, the BNI international records are there because of the cost and
length of time it takes the FIA to certify (announce, publish) the record.
We are trying to make our racers happy!

Mike (not stirring the pot, just trying to present facts) Manghelli
SCTA President

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
Subject: Re: International Records


>Mike, looking at #5.   Is there any provision for us to come to World
Finals,
>and run for BNI internation records on the regular course?  Meaning can I
run a
>bike, according to FIA rules, on the regular long course? If so then is
there
>any extra cost involved since I am not running on the long course that
requires
>additional course prep?   You mentioned that the BNI international records
are
>available to set records by the FIA rules as a lower cost alternative to
paying
>the FIA fee.  Does this truly mean that we can come run at World Finals,
abiding
>by FIA rules, on the long course, at regular WF fees?
>
>At any rate, running a meet and abiding by FIA rules, without them present
is a
>very intriguing idea, as they really would have a tough time refuting the
SCTA
>records as World Records, as they already sign off on the authenticity of
the
>SCTA certified speed clockings.
>
>Joe :)
>
>Mike Manghelli wrote:
>>
>> 4.    Distance of runs; To ensure the highest of integrity the SCTA/BNI
will
>> only allow our records to run on two different courses, they are; Short
>> course, a two mile approach to one mile timed trap.  Long course a two
mile
>> approach to 3, one mile timed traps.  The only exception exists for FIA
and
>> BNI international records.  The BNI international record is established
>> under the exact same criteria as an FIA record.  The FIA does not
stipulate
>> the length of approach to the timed mile and or Kilo trap (ref page 108
>> SCTA/BNI 200 rule book).
>>
>> 5.    Why BNI international records?  Competitors wanted a lower cost
>> alternate to being recognized than the FIA. (you have already been told
>> about the LSA, that was the whole purpose for that organization)  We
>> (SCTA/BNI) are providing that by following all FIA rules (including 1 hr
>> turn around) during the event and then recognizing them in our rule book.
>> So if you want the "extra" length of the course you must run FIA/BNI
>> international.  Does this cost extra? Only for course preparation, (last
>> year was going to be double the $360 entry fee).  Can I run my roadster
on
>> the FIA/BNI international course?  NO.  Only streamliners and lakesters
are
>> allowed on the extra long course.  Once again SCTA/BNI wants to uphold
the
>> integrity of their records and will not allow a roadster or coupe the
chance
>> to run on an extended course.  Even if they do not set a record, we do
not
>> want to let Keith run a five mile approach to the timed mile and have the
>> "bragging rights" over some one else.  That is not fair, just like trying
to
>> compare, Bonneville, El Mirage, Muroc and Maxton records.

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