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Re: DCOE carb jetting

To: <WSpohn4@aol.com>, <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: DCOE carb jetting
From: "Rick Lindsay" <ROLindsay@Emeraldgrc.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:17:26 -0500
   I believe that have been nicely insulted and chastised for asking
such a question.  One would think that I just asked a Porsche 
owner if he would like a ride in my Ferrari!  Fortunately for me,
I am not really bothered by personal attacks or by being called
ignorant. I am a physicist by training and by occupation.  Living
in Tulsa, scientists are frequently attacked for asking questions.

   I wrote,


> >    How would YOU jet these carbs to optimize performance 
> > in the 4k to 5.5k rpm range on this or your MG engine?  

Bill replied,

> This is a totally meaningless question and anyone that tries to 
> answer it will be offering information with zero value.

  I am asking for a starting point, not the final solution.

> It is IMPOSSIBLE to compare two engines of different type, 
> displacement, and specification. 

   Bull.  Yes they are different but air-flow dynamics is air flow
dynamics.  I was hoping for insight by people who have studied
more than just the MG head.

> BTW - you did know that unless you have a non-stock alloy 
> head, the MGB only uses ONE carb, not TWO, didn't you?

   Yes, I have a little experience with twinned-port heads on the 
MG and with cross flow heads on the BMWs.  Also, isn't it only 
the late model MGBs that use only one Z-S carb?  My '70 B-GT 
used two SUs -- with a balance-tube manifold but still into twinned 
ports.

> First, go buy a Weber book and find out what the settings for a 
> BMW engine of  your state of tune might be (you don't bother 
> offering cam information). That is only a very basic guide to what 
> size venturis and what other settings you may want to try. Then 
> have an expert do the tuning. 

   All good advice.  I have the Weber books and I have studied 
them.  I am NOT experienced with tuning these carbs.  I read that
you were offended that I didn't offer cam specifications.  Again,
I am looking for a starting place, not the final solution.  The cam is
a stock 1968 BMW 1600 engine cam.  Is the problem here the
cam or is it the letters "B", "M" and "W"?

> I take it that you are not such an expert from your question, 

   Rhetoric is always subject to interpretation.

> ...as well as your suggestion that a 45 DCOE must be too large 
> for the 1600. It is not the carb size so much as the venturi size 
> that governs behaviour - I have one set of  40 DCOE with larger 
> main venturis than another set of 45 DCOE I use on a different 
> engine.

   Application notes recommend the 40DCOE for this BMW 
engine.  I have 45DCOEs and I haven't owned them long enough
or asked enough nice people questions to know the difference.
 
> Please believe me - if you have no specialised knowledge, 
> Webers are NOT the carbs to start trying to tune by guess, and 
> by misinformation.

   Perhaps I should have then asked friendly list members for help?
 
> Bill
> (10 Webers currently in use)

Happy Wednesday!

Rick
(4 DCNF Webers currently in use, 2 DCOEs just purchased -- 
since we're keeping score)

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