Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript]

[Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>]

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That=E2=80=99s a possibility, I suppose, but it was professionally =
rebuilt only a few years ago. And that was just because I broke the =
capillary tube =E2=80=94 it was working fine.

What I just did, based on some other responses, was pop off the bezel =
and glass, pull the needle, and reset it to rest position.

It=E2=80=99s getting dark, and it's parked behind my other car, so I =
will wait until tomorrow to test it.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

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'66 MGB

> On Oct 7, 2018, at 6:06 PM, i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com =
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> check to see if the gauge needs cleaning. Gently remove the pointers =
and remove the gauge face. most likely the gears are gummy =20
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
>       _______                                  _______
>      (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
>          (_________________________)
>           BT7 engine and disk brakes
>=20
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> 1967 MGB =20
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> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
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> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
> How could the capsule get damaged?
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> I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the =
way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.
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> Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was =
reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner =
fender.
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> I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know =
it responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. =
The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure =
out what that would be.
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> I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. =
Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating =
episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, =
preventing it from recoiling?
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> Max Heim
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>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <mgbobh@gmail.com =
>>=20
>>   Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge?=20
>>   If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in =
the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from =
the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube =
damaged during the R&R.
>>   Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan of =
hot water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer.
>> Bob
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
>> I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is =
malfunctioning.
>>=20
>> It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was =
reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to =
operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the =
oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun =
had the thermostat housing at around 180.
>>=20
>> Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?
>>=20
>>=20
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>=20
>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
>>>=20
>>> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage =
into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up =
with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by =
7pm.
>>>=20
>>> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6=

>>>=20
>>> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D =
the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound =
up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom =
tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, =
I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started =
disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just =
suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body =
to another.
>>>=20
>>> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, =
and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely =
recoring it.
>>>=20
>>> --
>>> Max Heim
>>> '66 MGB
>>>=20
>>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com =
>>>>=20
>>>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you =
were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to =
puncture a metal radiator!=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Dan D
>>>> '76B, '65B
>>>> Central NJ USA
>>>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>>>=20
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
>>>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got =
my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of =
the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new =
Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, =
so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio =
to Marin Civic Center.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a =
bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of =
traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head =
gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.
>>>>=20
>>>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the =
plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my =
photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was =
already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had =
purchased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was =
still in the paint shop.
>>>>=20
>>>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" =
nylon 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me =
mine was irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them.
>>>>=20
>>>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had skimmed =
the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had inspected =
the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in Campbell =
and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them now I =
can save the cam.
>>>>=20
>>>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I =
should be able to have it back together this weekend.
>>>>=20
>>>> A few tips based on my experience:
>>>>=20
>>>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I =
would have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a =
timely manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D =
and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get a tow.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and =
lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new =
lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.
>>>>=20
>>>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA =
purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I =
suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t =
have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen =
reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a =
different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so =
should not be a cause for worry.
>>>>=20
>>>> Buy British, Buy Best!
>>>>=20
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>>>> Max Heim
>>>> '66 MGB
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class=3D"">That=E2=80=99s a possibility, I suppose, but it was =
professionally rebuilt only a few years ago. And that was just because I =
broke the capillary tube =E2=80=94 it was working fine.<div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">What I just did, based on some other =
responses, was pop off the bezel and glass, pull the needle, and reset =
it to rest position.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">It=E2=80=99s getting dark, and it's parked behind my other =
car, so I will wait until tomorrow to test it.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks for all the =
suggestions.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 7, 2018, at 6:06 PM, i erbs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com"; class=3D"">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">check to see if the gauge needs cleaning. Gently remove the =
pointers and remove the gauge face. most likely the gears are =
gummy&nbsp;&nbsp;<br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
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class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Ira Erbs<div class=3D"">Portland,OR</div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;_______</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ =
_______)</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)</span></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1967=
 MGB &nbsp;<img =
src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg"; =
alt=3D"MG" class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: =
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario =
Andretti</span><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Please excuse random =
auto corrects and misspelled =
words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div><br class=3D""></div><br =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; =
border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); =
padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">How =
could the capsule get damaged?<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out =
of the way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Unfortunately, it never =
occurred to me to see what the gauge was reading while the head was off =
and the capsule was resting on the inner fender.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test =
would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so =
the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge =
end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I know there is a =
flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have =
unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and =
is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it =
from recoiling?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mvheim@sonic.net</a></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mgbobh@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Yours has the non-electric =
temp sender and gauge?<span =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>If it does, the gauge is =
moved by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is =
screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is =
that the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the =
R&amp;R.</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Test by removing capsule =
from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with =
your hand-held thermometer.</div><div class=3D"">Bob</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Sun, Oct 7, =
2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"=
 target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">I just got the engine back =
together, but now the temperature gauge is malfunctioning.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It seems to have got =
stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even =
tried to start the car. After warming up to operating temp (estimated, =
of course), the gauge had climbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at =
85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the thermostat housing at =
around 180.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-newl=
ine"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" =
class=3D"">Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the =
luggage into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to =
catch up with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red =
Bluff by 7pm.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Not =
the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6</div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The plastic blade =
didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, =
actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing =
several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade =
being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I =
didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly =
=E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly =
developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to =
another.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">With =
5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the =
radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring =
it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, =
Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
 class=3D"">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-newl=
ine"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">A bummer that you =
couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. =
Good recovery by Moss, though.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Just tells you how fast these things =
spin, for a plastic blade to puncture a metal radiator!&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dan D</div><div =
class=3D"">'76B, '65B</div><div class=3D"">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651m_-7840722686676637303gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 =
at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">I haven=E2=80=99=
t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D=
 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on =
Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within =
the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it =
got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic =
Center.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad =
place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of =
traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head =
gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Subsequent examination =
of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of =
the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a =
manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and =
out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order =
back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But regardless, they =
decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new =
aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought =
this was pretty decent of them.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just picked up my head at the machine =
shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In =
the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at =
British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing =
pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Now I just need to pick =
up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back =
together this weekend.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">A few tips based on my experience:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed =
out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA =
would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported =
myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to =
get a tow.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam =
and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The =
new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss =
USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I =
suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t =
have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen =
reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a =
different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so =
should not be a cause for worry.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Buy British, Buy Best!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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break-word;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div></div></div>___________________________________=
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