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Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil
From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:51:24 +0100 hGMboTZTWpQZ6oBabkQDmP8D9Xw3jp2mmiFvJ7dHq3AiCwLtboJT9nyl
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>From my reading of spec sheets of oil available to me in the UK modern =
oils (including for Diesel) have had their ZDDP reduced over time as =
much for environmental reasons as for damage to catalysts, but then so =
have some 'classic' 20W/50 formulations.  ZDDP content is what the =
manufacturer chooses to put in, so you can't say that any weight or API =
rating is automatically going to have a particular content.  For example =
a few years ago Castrol XL 20W/50 SE was showing 800ppm, whereas GTX =
15W/40 SL showed 1035, and GTX Diesel 15W/40 1200.  For classics they =
recommended their Syntec 20W/50 at 1200, whereas claims elsewhere said =
that their GTX 20W/50 would always be 1300-140ppm.  Mobil 1 Fuel Economy =
0W/30 quoted 1000 whereas their Super 3000 Formula R 5W/30 showed 500.  =
I've also seen a letter purporting to be a letter from Royal Purple =
stating that RP XPR 10W40 has over 1500-1600 ppm of ZDDP and "we could =
take all of the ZDDP out of our engine oils and still have 4 times the =
wear resistance of even the VR-1 oil due to our Synerlec additive =
technology".

At the moment over here the highest concentration seems to be Classic =
Oils Heritage 20W/50 at 1300ppm =
https://www.classic-oils.net/Classic-Oils-Heritage-20W50

A friend has personal experience of a new cam and tappets being wrecked =
in just 20k on a semi-synthetic 15W/40 SL, but from other things I have =
read really old classifications such as SB never had that much to begin =
with, and engines didn't suffer damage.  So I suspect the problem with =
rebuilt engines is as much to do with poorer quality components these =
days as anything else.

But as I say that's the situation over here, and as someone else said =
this discussion could go on for ever.

PaulH.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>From my reading of spec sheets of oil available to =
me in the=20
UK modern oils (including&nbsp;for Diesel) have had their ZDDP reduced =
over time=20
as much for environmental reasons as for damage to catalysts, but then =
so have=20
some 'classic' 20W/50 formulations.&nbsp; ZDDP content is what the =
manufacturer=20
chooses to put in, so you can't say that any weight or API rating is=20
automatically going to have a particular content.&nbsp; For example a =
few years=20
ago Castrol XL 20W/50 SE was showing&nbsp;800ppm, whereas GTX 15W/40=20
SL&nbsp;showed 1035, and GTX Diesel 15W/40 1200.&nbsp; For classics they =

recommended their Syntec 20W/50 at 1200, whereas claims elsewhere said =
that=20
their GTX 20W/50 would always be 1300-140ppm.&nbsp; Mobil 1 Fuel Economy =
0W/30=20
quoted 1000 whereas their Super 3000 Formula R 5W/30 showed 500.&nbsp; =
I've also=20
seen a letter purporting to be a letter from Royal Purple stating that =
RP XPR=20
10W40 has over 1500-1600 ppm of ZDDP and "we could take all of the ZDDP =
out of=20
our engine oils and still have 4 times the wear resistance of even the =
VR-1 oil=20
due to our Synerlec additive technology".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>At the moment over here the highest concentration =
seems to be=20
Classic Oils Heritage 20W/50 at 1300ppm <A=20
href=3D"https://www.classic-oils.net/Classic-Oils-Heritage-20W50";>https:/=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A friend has personal experience of a new cam and =
tappets=20
being wrecked in just 20k on a semi-synthetic 15W/40 SL, but from other =
things I=20
have read really old classifications such as SB never had that much to =
begin=20
with, and engines didn't suffer damage.&nbsp; So I suspect the problem =
with=20
rebuilt engines is as much&nbsp;to do with poorer quality components =
these days=20
as anything else.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>But as I say that's the situation over here, and as =
someone=20
else said this discussion could go on for ever.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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