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I actually look at the battery connections every time I drive, when I
disconnect and then reconnect the battery tender clamps. They seem clean
and tight.
If the battery (or battery connection) was bad, would there still be
enough power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the starter
for a long time after the car was warm but wouldn't start? I can try
disconnecting the battery tender to see how the battery reacts to only
charging from the alternator.
--Steve (1980 MGB)
On 3/10/2020 3:50 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
> Head? Coil? Now youâ??re grasping at straws. And carb doesnâ??t match the
> symptoms.
>
> I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the battery connections.
> They are out of sight so are frequently neglected. Have you looked at
> them since you installed the battery?
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs
>>
>> Thanks. I don't think it's the battery. The battery is about two
>> years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the
>> winter. I didn't have any trouble getting the starter to crank, and
>> I was running the starter for a while without the battery appearing
>> to run down.
>>
>> I'll have to test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my
>> neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my garage and
>> trying to restart it after 20-30 minutes. If it won't start I can
>> pull the plugs and take a look, and also test the battery to see if
>> it wasn't holding the charge. I can also check compression at that
>> point - maybe the head gets loose when it warms up?
>>
>> I also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after
>> the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems. If that was
>> the case I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but
>> I'm far from an expert. I was just guessing at the carb because I've
>> never been good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on
>> the car.
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>> On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
>>> Check the battery connections, clean and replace.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>> 69 MGB GT
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via
>>> Mgs<mgs@autox.team.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the voltage on the battery? See:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-voltage-range
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*Mgs<mgs-bounces@autox.team.net>*On Behalf Of*Max Heim via Mgs
>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:59 PM
>>> *To:*MGs<mgs@autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting
>>>
>>>
>>> What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could
>>> push start it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter
>>> related. It being the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Max Heim
>>>
>>> '66 MGB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs
>>>
>>>
>>> It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a
>>> ride. My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when
>>> I replaced the cam two years ago. I drove around last year and
>>> it was running well, until one day when I stopped at a store for
>>> a few minutes and then couldn't get the car restarted. After
>>> trying to get it going I wound up calling my daughter for help
>>> and we got it push-started. Yesterday the same thing happened.Â
>>> After the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home
>>> rather than risk another problem. I was trying some starter
>>> fluid to get it going yesterday, but that didn't work. I
>>> thought that maybe the gas in the tank is old, but the car
>>> started up after a little cranking when I originally left the house.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on where to look? I didn't plumb the coolant
>>> line through the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much
>>> in cold weather so I didn't think it would be needed. I thought
>>> that the problem last summer could have been vapor lock, but
>>> starter fluid should have worked if that was the issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Steve (1980 MGB)
>>>
>>>
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<p>I actually look at the battery connections every time I drive,
when I disconnect and then reconnect the battery tender clamps.Â
They seem clean and tight.</p>
<p>If the battery (or battery connection) was bad, would there still
be enough power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the
starter for a long time after the car was warm but wouldn't
start? I can try disconnecting the battery tender to see how the
battery reacts to only charging from the alternator.</p>
<p>--Steve (1980 MGB)<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/2020 3:50 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
wrote:<br>
</div>
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cite="mid:EA646FED-AF4C-4058-93EE-B0E9D8D16D22@sonic.net">
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Head? Coil? Now youâ??re grasping at straws. And carb doesnâ??t match
the symptoms.
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the
battery connections. They are out of sight so are frequently
neglected. Have you looked at them since you installed the
battery?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height:
16px;" class="">Max Heim</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class="">'66
MGB</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br class="">
<div>
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via
Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class="">
<p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
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font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Thanks. I
don't think it's the battery. The battery is about two
years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender
over the winter. I didn't have any trouble getting the
starter to crank, and I was running the starter for a
while without the battery appearing to run down.</p>
<p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I'll have to
test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my
neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my
garage and trying to restart it after 20-30 minutes. If
it won't start I can pull the plugs and take a look, and
also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the
charge. I can also check compression at that point -
maybe the head gets loose when it warms up?<br class="">
</p>
<p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I also thought
it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after
the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.Â
If that was the case I'd think the car wouldn't run
after being push started, but I'm far from an expert. I
was just guessing at the carb because I've never been
good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed
on the car.</p>
<p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">--Steve<br
class="">
</p>
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normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM,
Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:<br class="">
</div>
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cite="mid:479758349.7372527.1583867851052@mail.yahoo.com"
style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">Check the
battery connections, clean and replace.<br class="">
</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">Mike
MacLean</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">69 MGB GT<br
class="">
</div>
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</div>
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<div class="">On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43
AM PDT, dave via Mgs<span
class="Apple-converted-space">Â </span><a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
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the voltage on the battery? See:</p>
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class="Apple-converted-space">Â </span><a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";
style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;"
moz-do-not-send="true"><mgs-bounces@autox.team.net></a><span
class="Apple-converted-space">Â </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
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Heim via Mgs<br class=""
clear="none">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
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March 10, 2020 12:59 PM<br class=""
clear="none">
<b class="">To:</b><span
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space">Â </span>Re:
[Mgs] MGB not (re)starting</p>
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<p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">What
makes you think it was carb related? The
fact that you could push start it makes
me think it was more likely battery or
starter related. It being the end of
winter, I suspect a flat battery.</p>
<div class="">
<div class="">Â <br
class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
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class="">--</span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"
class="">Max Heim</span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"
class="">'66 MGB</span></p>
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<p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">On
Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve
Shoyer via Mgs <<a
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
target="_blank"
href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;"
class="">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
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class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">It
was in the 70's yesterday,
so I took my 1980 MGB out
for a ride. My current carb
is a Weber 38 DGES that I
installed when I replaced
the cam two years ago. I
drove around last year and
it was running well, until
one day when I stopped at a
store for a few minutes and
then couldn't get the car
restarted. After trying to
get it going I wound up
calling my daughter for help
and we got it push-started.Â
Yesterday the same thing
happened. After the push
start the car ran fine, but
I just drove it home rather
than risk another problem.Â
I was trying some starter
fluid to get it going
yesterday, but that didn't
work. I thought that maybe
the gas in the tank is old,
but the car started up after
a little cranking when I
originally left the house.<span
class="Apple-converted-space">Â </span></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">Â <br
class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Any
suggestions on where to
look? I didn't plumb the
coolant line through the
manifold to heat it, but I
don't drive too much in cold
weather so I didn't think it
would be needed. I thought
that the problem last summer
could have been vapor lock,
but starter fluid should
have worked if that was the
issue.<span
class="Apple-converted-space">Â </span></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">Â <br
class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Thanks.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
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class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">--Steve
(1980 MGB)<span
class="Apple-converted-space">Â </span></p>
</div>
</div>
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</div>
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