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Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting

To: MGs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting
From: Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:50:23 -0700
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Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb doesn=E2=80=99=
t match the symptoms.

I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the battery connections. They =
are out of sight so are frequently neglected. Have you looked at them =
since you installed the battery?


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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs =
<mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two =
years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.  =
I didn't have any trouble getting the starter to crank, and I was =
running the starter for a while without the battery appearing to run =
down.
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> I'll have to test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my =
neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my garage and trying =
to restart it after 20-30 minutes.  If it won't start I can pull the =
plugs and take a look, and also test the battery to see if it wasn't =
holding the charge.  I can also check compression at that point - maybe =
the head gets loose when it warms up?
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> I also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after =
the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.  If that was the =
case I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but I'm =
far from an expert.  I was just guessing at the carb because I've never =
been good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on the car.
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> --Steve
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> On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
>> Check the battery connections, clean and replace.
>> Mike MacLean
>> 69 MGB GT
>>=20
>> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via Mgs =
>>=20
>>=20
>> What is the voltage on the battery?  See:
>>=20
>> =20
>> =
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-vol=
tage-range =
<https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-vo=
ltage-range>
>> =20
>> =20
>> From: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> =
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting
>>=20
>> =20
>> What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could =
push start it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter =
related. It being the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.
>>=20
>> =20
>> --
>>=20
>> Max Heim
>>=20
>> '66 MGB
>>=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs =
>>=20
>> =20
>> It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a ride.  =
My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the =
cam two years ago.  I drove around last year and it was running well, =
until one day when I stopped at a store for a few minutes and then =
couldn't get the car restarted.  After trying to get it going I wound up =
calling my daughter for help and we got it push-started.  Yesterday the =
same thing happened.  After the push start the car ran fine, but I just =
drove it home rather than risk another problem.  I was trying some =
starter fluid to get it going yesterday, but that didn't work.  I =
thought that maybe the gas in the tank is old, but the car started up =
after a little cranking when I originally left the house.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> Any suggestions on where to look?  I didn't plumb the coolant line =
through the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in cold =
weather so I didn't think it would be needed.  I thought that the =
problem last summer could have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should =
have worked if that was the issue.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> Thanks.
>>=20
>> =20
>> --Steve (1980 MGB)=20
>>=20
>>=20
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class=3D"">Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb =
doesn=E2=80=99t match the symptoms.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think Mike was right. Clean and =
tighten the battery connections. They are out of sight so are frequently =
neglected. Have you looked at them since you installed the =
battery?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><p =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">Thanks.&nbsp; I don't think it's the battery.&nbsp; The =
battery is about two years old, and it's been plugged into a battery =
tender over the winter.&nbsp; I didn't have any trouble getting the =
starter to crank, and I was running the starter for a while without the =
battery appearing to run down.</p><p style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">I'll have =
to test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my neighborhood =
for a while, then parking it back in my garage and trying to restart it =
after 20-30 minutes.&nbsp; If it won't start I can pull the plugs and =
take a look, and also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the =
charge.&nbsp; I can also check compression at that point - maybe the =
head gets loose when it warms up?<br class=3D""></p><p =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">I =
also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after the =
coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.&nbsp; If that was the =
case I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but I'm =
far from an expert.&nbsp; I was just guessing at the carb because I've =
never been good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on =
the car.</p><p style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">--Steve<br class=3D""></p><div=
 class=3D"moz-cite-prefix" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM, Michael MacLean =
via Mgs wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:479758349.7372527.1583867851052@mail.yahoo.com" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"ydpf7b70219yahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; =
font-size: 16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Check =
the battery connections, clean and replace.<br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Mike MacLean</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">69 MGB GT<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div =
id=3D"yahoo_quoted_4146678925" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"><div =
style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 13px; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via Mgs<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>&lt;mgs@autox.team.net&gt;</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div=
 id=3D"yiv4099544913" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"yiv4099544913WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">What is the voltage on the =
battery?&nbsp; See:</p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-bat=
tery-voltage-range" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-=
battery-voltage-range</a></p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div =
class=3D"yiv4099544913yqt8942878181" id=3D"yiv4099544913yqt49081"><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: =
3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"=
 style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;">&lt;mgs-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Max Heim via =
Mgs<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, March 10, 2020 =
12:59 PM<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MGs<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;">&lt;mgs@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><b=
 class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Mgs] MGB not =
(re)starting</p></div></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">What makes you think it was carb =
related? The fact that you could push start it makes me think it was =
more likely battery or starter related. It being the end of winter, I =
suspect a flat battery.</p><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"yiv4099544913yqt8942878181" id=3D"yiv4099544913yqt99890"><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
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class=3D"">--</span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
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class=3D"">Max Heim</span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" =
class=3D"">'66 MGB</span></p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">On Mar =
10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" =
shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took =
my 1980 MGB out for a ride.&nbsp; My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES =
that I installed when I replaced the cam two years ago.&nbsp; I drove =
around last year and it was running well, until one day when I stopped =
at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get the car =
restarted.&nbsp; After trying to get it going I wound up calling my =
daughter for help and we got it push-started.&nbsp; Yesterday the same =
thing happened.&nbsp; After the push start the car ran fine, but I just =
drove it home rather than risk another problem.&nbsp; I was trying some =
starter fluid to get it going yesterday, but that didn't work.&nbsp; I =
thought that maybe the gas in the tank is old, but the car started up =
after a little cranking when I originally left the house.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Any suggestions on where to look?&nbsp; =
I didn't plumb the coolant line through the manifold to heat it, but I =
don't drive too much in cold weather so I didn't think it would be =
needed.&nbsp; I thought that the problem last summer could have been =
vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if that was the =
issue.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Thanks.</p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">--Steve (1980 MGB)<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></p></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
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