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To: Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net>, MGB List <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] LED instrument lights
From: Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:37:37 -0700
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I used these bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The instrument =
panel turn signal indicators would take the same bulb.

Although the bulbs are advertised as =E2=80=9Cdim-able=E2=80=9D in my =
experience they are either on or off =E2=80=94 full brightness or not =
visible. It could very well be that a electronic dimmer is required, and =
they don't =E2=80=9Cdim=E2=80=9D with the old-fashioned rheostat.

The tail and stop lamps take a different base, and one would want the =
largest/brightest unit available. I installed the ones offered by Moss =
Motors.

I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for the front turn indicators, but they =
didn=E2=80=99t work on my car =E2=80=94 they were too long. When I =
tightened down the lens screws, it pressed the bulb down into the =
socket, cutting off the current. Later I figured out that I could have =
doubled up on the foam gaskets and prevented this.

Note that using LEDs in the turn signal circuit requires one to install =
a electronic flasher unit.

LED headlamp conversions are a more complex subject which I have not =
investigated.


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Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net



> On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net> wrote:
>=20
> Hello Max,
>=20
> That is brilliant (sorry for the pun!)
>=20
> Did you by any chance get LEDs for rear brakes and turn bulbs or =
elsewhere ?  You don't do the turn ones but I think brighter would be =
better.  Do you have reference number for them and brakes ???- I looked =
at my bulbs but no numbers !!!!   The only place I would not use LEDs is =
the head light - too expensive.  =20
>=20
> But one thing - it says you can dim with normal rheostat as used =
originally.   I must use a 'inverter' from SpeedHut to dim my speedo and =
tach - So does that mean I keep the currently installed dimmer with the =
LEDLight bulbs and add another dimmer for the SpeedHuts ?  Actually =
that's sort of sexy - individual dimming  - wow !!!!!
>=20
> Your information was a relief as I was humming and harring about what =
to get! =20
>=20
> Cheers
> Barrie
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 7/7/2020 1:00 PM, Max Heim wrote:
>> I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from =
LEDLight.com <http://ledlight.com/>.
>>=20
>> Product ID 57567
>> #1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050 12V Dim-able T3 1/4
>> Color: Warm White 3000K
>> $2.42 ea.
>>=20
>> Note that there are brighter bulbs, but they contain more LED =
elements and are longer, and will not fit in the fuel or combo gauge =
locations. The number after the word =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=9D indicates =
the number of elements. The next size would be a =E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.
>>=20
>> I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the incandescent bulbs. I =
had tried the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the effect =E2=80=94 =
it was slightly bluish and actually tended to wash out the lettering on =
the gauges.
>>=20
>> I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators because I didn't see =
any need for them to be brighter.
>>=20
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>=20
>>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net =
>>>=20
>>> Hello Folks,
>>>=20
>>> I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho in my MGB GT V8 (not a =
factory one) and they are superb.  But the dimmer does not work on them. =
 So I have decided to put LED bulbs in the remaining four smaller gauges =
and this means I have to install a LED dimmer for all six gauges.   =
SpeedHut supply an LED dimmer but despite many emails I cannot find how =
their dimmer hooks up with their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in =
the smaller four. (Probably affected by the dreaded virus - which we =
know is a hoax).  I do not to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small =
gauges - and I need the new stronger ones.   I bought LEDs a while way =
back and they were no stronger than the incandescents !!!=20
>>>=20
>>> So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help would be =
much appreciated.
>>>=20
>>> I do hope that all is well with you and yours.  We are not doing =
badly and so far the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but taking =
super precautions including face masks.
>>>=20
>>> Cheers
>>> Barrie
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
used these bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The instrument =
panel turn signal indicators would take the same bulb.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Although the bulbs are advertised as =
=E2=80=9Cdim-able=E2=80=9D in my experience they are either on or off =
=E2=80=94 full brightness or not visible. It could very well be that a =
electronic dimmer is required, and they don't =E2=80=9Cdim=E2=80=9D with =
the old-fashioned rheostat.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The tail and stop lamps take a =
different base, and one would want the largest/brightest unit available. =
I installed the ones offered by Moss Motors.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for =
the front turn indicators, but they didn=E2=80=99t work on my car =E2=80=94=
 they were too long. When I tightened down the lens screws, it pressed =
the bulb down into the socket, cutting off the current. Later I figured =
out that I could have doubled up on the foam gaskets and prevented =
this.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Note =
that using LEDs in the turn signal circuit requires one to install a =
electronic flasher unit.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">LED headlamp conversions are a more =
complex subject which I have not investigated.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; class=3D"">mvheim@sonic.net</a></div><div=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">

</div>
<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:barrob@bell.net"; class=3D"">barrob@bell.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
 =20
    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
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  <div class=3D"">
    <font size=3D"-1" class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Hello =
Max,<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        That is brilliant (sorry for the pun!)<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        Did you by any chance get LEDs for rear brakes and turn bulbs or
        elsewhere ?&nbsp; You don't do the turn ones but I think =
brighter
        would be better.&nbsp; Do you have reference number for them and
        brakes ???- I looked at my bulbs but no numbers !!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; =
The only
        place I would not use LEDs is the head light - too =
expensive.&nbsp;&nbsp;
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        But one thing - it says you can dim with normal rheostat as used
        originally.&nbsp;&nbsp; I <i class=3D"">must</i> use a =
'inverter' from SpeedHut to
        dim my speedo and tach - So does that mean I keep the currently
        installed dimmer with the LEDLight bulbs and add another dimmer
        for the SpeedHuts ?&nbsp; Actually that's sort of sexy - =
individual
        dimming&nbsp; - wow !!!!!<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        Your information was a relief as I was humming and harring about
        what to get!&nbsp; <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        Cheers<br class=3D"">
        Barrie<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
      </font></font><br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/7/2020 1:00 PM, Max Heim =
wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:67AE189E-45E3-4A19-8ACE-05B30F14EB30@sonic.net" class=3D"">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
      I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from <a =
href=3D"http://ledlight.com/"; class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">LEDLight.com</a>.
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
      </div>
      <div class=3D"">Product ID 57567</div>
      <div class=3D"">#1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050 12V Dim-able =
T3
        1/4<br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"">Color: Warm White 3000K</div>
        <div class=3D"">$2.42 ea.</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">Note that there are brighter bulbs, but they
          contain more LED elements and are longer, and will not fit in
          the fuel or combo gauge locations. The number after the word
          =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=9D indicates the number of elements. The =
next size would
          be a =E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the
          incandescent bulbs. I had tried the Bright White bulbs but I
          didn't like the effect =E2=80=94 it was slightly bluish and =
actually
          tended to wash out the lettering on the gauges.</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators
          because I didn't see any need for them to be brighter.</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">
          <div class=3D"">
            <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">
                <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div>
                <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height:
                  16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div>
                <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">'66
                  MGB</div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
            <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
              <div class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie =
Robinson
                &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:barrob@bell.net"; class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">barrob@bell.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
              <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
              <div class=3D"">
                <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html;
                  charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
                <div class=3D""> <font class=3D"" size=3D"-1"><font =
class=3D"" face=3D"Arial">Hello Folks,<br class=3D"">
                      <br class=3D"">
                      I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho in my
                      MGB GT V8 (not a factory one) and they are
                      superb.&nbsp; But the dimmer does not work on =
them.&nbsp; So
                      I have decided to put LED bulbs in the remaining
                      four smaller gauges and this means I have to
                      install a LED dimmer for all six =
gauges.&nbsp;&nbsp;
                      SpeedHut supply an LED dimmer but despite many
                      emails I cannot find how their dimmer hooks up
                      with their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in
                      the smaller four. (Probably affected by the
                      dreaded virus - which we know is a hoax).&nbsp; I =
do
                      not to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small
                      gauges - and I need the new stronger =
ones.&nbsp;&nbsp; I
                      bought LEDs a while way back and they were no
                      stronger than the incandescents !!! <br class=3D"">
                      <br class=3D"">
                      So is there anyone who is into this subject as
                      your help would be much appreciated.<br class=3D"">
                      <br class=3D"">
                      I do hope that all is well with you and =
yours.&nbsp; We
                      are not doing badly and so far the dreaded lurgy
                      has not come near us - but taking super
                      precautions including face masks.<br class=3D"">
                      <br class=3D"">
                      Cheers<br class=3D"">
                      Barrie<br class=3D"">
                    </font></font> </div>
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