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All bulbs are literally =E2=80=9Cplug & play=E2=80=9D, I should think=E2=80=
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Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net
> On Jul 7, 2020, at 2:31 PM, dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>=20
> www.litezupp.com <http://www.litezupp.com/> makes an excellent LED =
lightbulb which is quite literally plug and play. Looks and has the =
same plug as a standard light bulb. And is incredibly bright. And =
since its an LED, it doesn=E2=80=99t draw much current. Totally worth =
it.
> =20
> From: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net =
> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] LED instrument lights
> =20
> I used these bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The instrument =
panel turn signal indicators would take the same bulb.
> =20
> Although the bulbs are advertised as =E2=80=9Cdim-able=E2=80=9D in my =
experience they are either on or off =E2=80=94 full brightness or not =
visible. It could very well be that a electronic dimmer is required, and =
they don't =E2=80=9Cdim=E2=80=9D with the old-fashioned rheostat.
> =20
> The tail and stop lamps take a different base, and one would want the =
largest/brightest unit available. I installed the ones offered by Moss =
Motors.
> =20
> I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for the front turn indicators, but =
they didn=E2=80=99t work on my car =E2=80=94 they were too long. When I =
tightened down the lens screws, it pressed the bulb down into the =
socket, cutting off the current. Later I figured out that I could have =
doubled up on the foam gaskets and prevented this.
> =20
> Note that using LEDs in the turn signal circuit requires one to =
install a electronic flasher unit.
> =20
> LED headlamp conversions are a more complex subject which I have not =
investigated.
> =20
> =20
> --
> Max Heim
> =20
> =20
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>=20
>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net =
>> =20
>> Hello Max,
>>=20
>> That is brilliant (sorry for the pun!)
>>=20
>> Did you by any chance get LEDs for rear brakes and turn bulbs or =
elsewhere ? You don't do the turn ones but I think brighter would be =
better. Do you have reference number for them and brakes ???- I looked =
at my bulbs but no numbers !!!! The only place I would not use LEDs is =
the head light - too expensive. =20
>>=20
>> But one thing - it says you can dim with normal rheostat as used =
originally. I must use a 'inverter' from SpeedHut to dim my speedo and =
tach - So does that mean I keep the currently installed dimmer with the =
LEDLight bulbs and add another dimmer for the SpeedHuts ? Actually =
that's sort of sexy - individual dimming - wow !!!!!
>>=20
>> Your information was a relief as I was humming and harring about what =
to get! =20
>>=20
>> Cheers
>> Barrie
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 7/7/2020 1:00 PM, Max Heim wrote:
>>> I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from =
LEDLight.com <http://ledlight.com/>.=20
>>> =20
>>> Product ID 57567
>>> #1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050 12V Dim-able T3 1/4
>>> Color: Warm White 3000K
>>> $2.42 ea.
>>> =20
>>> Note that there are brighter bulbs, but they contain more LED =
elements and are longer, and will not fit in the fuel or combo gauge =
locations. The number after the word =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=9D indicates =
the number of elements. The next size would be a =E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.
>>> =20
>>> I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the incandescent bulbs. =
I had tried the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the effect =E2=80=94 =
it was slightly bluish and actually tended to wash out the lettering on =
the gauges.
>>> =20
>>> I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators because I didn't =
see any need for them to be brighter.
>>> =20
>>> --
>>> Max Heim
>>> '66 MGB
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net =
>>>> =20
>>>> Hello Folks,
>>>>=20
>>>> I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho in my MGB GT V8 (not a =
factory one) and they are superb. But the dimmer does not work on them. =
So I have decided to put LED bulbs in the remaining four smaller gauges =
and this means I have to install a LED dimmer for all six gauges. =
SpeedHut supply an LED dimmer but despite many emails I cannot find how =
their dimmer hooks up with their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in =
the smaller four. (Probably affected by the dreaded virus - which we =
know is a hoax). I do not to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small =
gauges - and I need the new stronger ones. I bought LEDs a while way =
back and they were no stronger than the incandescents !!!=20
>>>>=20
>>>> So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help would be =
much appreciated.
>>>>=20
>>>> I do hope that all is well with you and yours. We are not doing =
badly and so far the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but taking =
super precautions including face masks.
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Barrie
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">All =
bulbs are literally =E2=80=9Cplug & play=E2=80=9D, I should =
think=E2=80=A6<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; class=3D"">mvheim@sonic.net</a></div><div=
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2020, at 2:31 PM, dave <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; class=3D"">dave@ranteer.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.litezupp.com/"; style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">www.litezupp.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>makes an excellent LED =
lightbulb which is quite literally plug and play. Looks and has =
the same plug as a standard light bulb. And is incredibly =
bright. And since its an LED, it doesn=E2=80=99t draw much =
current. Totally worth it.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: =
3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mgs=
<<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Max Heim<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:38 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Barrie Robinson <<a =
href=3D"mailto:barrob@bell.net"; style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">barrob@bell.net</a>>; MGB List <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Mgs] LED instrument =
lights<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I used these bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The =
instrument panel turn signal indicators would take the same bulb.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Although the bulbs are advertised as =
=E2=80=9Cdim-able=E2=80=9D in my experience they are either on or off =
=E2=80=94 full brightness or not visible. It could very well be that a =
electronic dimmer is required, and they don't =E2=80=9Cdim=E2=80=9D with =
the old-fashioned rheostat.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">The tail and stop lamps take a different base, and one would =
want the largest/brightest unit available. I installed the ones offered =
by Moss Motors.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for the front turn =
indicators, but they didn=E2=80=99t work on my car =E2=80=94 they were =
too long. When I tightened down the lens screws, it pressed the bulb =
down into the socket, cutting off the current. Later I figured out that =
I could have doubled up on the foam gaskets and prevented this.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Note that using LEDs in the turn signal =
circuit requires one to install a electronic flasher unit.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">LED headlamp conversions are a more =
complex subject which I have not investigated.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">--<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Max Heim<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mvheim@sonic.net</a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie =
Robinson <<a href=3D"mailto:barrob@bell.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">barrob@bell.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Hello Max,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">That is brilliant =
(sorry for the pun!)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Did you by any chance =
get LEDs for rear brakes and turn bulbs or elsewhere ? You don't =
do the turn ones but I think brighter would be better. Do you have =
reference number for them and brakes ???- I looked at my bulbs but no =
numbers !!!! The only place I would not use LEDs is the head =
light - too expensive. <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">But one thing - it says you can dim with normal rheostat as =
used originally. I<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class=3D"">must</i><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>use a 'inverter' from =
SpeedHut to dim my speedo and tach - So does that mean I keep the =
currently installed dimmer with the LEDLight bulbs and add another =
dimmer for the SpeedHuts ? Actually that's sort of sexy - =
individual dimming - wow !!!!!<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Your =
information was a relief as I was humming and harring about what to =
get! <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cheers<br class=3D"">Barrie<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On 7/7/2020 1:00 PM, Max Heim =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: =
5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, =
from<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"http://ledlight.com/"; style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">LEDLight.com</a>.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Product ID 57567<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">#1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050 12V Dim-able T3 1/4<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Color: Warm White 3000K<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">$2.42 ea.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Note that there are brighter bulbs, but =
they contain more LED elements and are longer, and will not fit in the =
fuel or combo gauge locations. The number after the word =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=
=9D indicates the number of elements. The next size would be a =
=E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div=
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the incandescent =
bulbs. I had tried the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the effect =
=E2=80=94 it was slightly bluish and actually tended to wash out the =
lettering on the gauges.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators because I =
didn't see any need for them to be brighter.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" =
class=3D"">--<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div=
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" =
class=3D"">Max Heim<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt;" class=3D"">'66 MGB<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div=
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie =
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10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hello Folks,<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho =
in my MGB GT V8 (not a factory one) and they are superb. But the =
dimmer does not work on them. So I have decided to put LED bulbs =
in the remaining four smaller gauges and this means I have to install a =
LED dimmer for all six gauges. SpeedHut supply an LED dimmer =
but despite many emails I cannot find how their dimmer hooks up with =
their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in the smaller four. (Probably =
affected by the dreaded virus - which we know is a hoax). I do not =
to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small gauges - and I need the new =
stronger ones. I bought LEDs a while way back and they were =
no stronger than the incandescents !!!<span =
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class=3D"">So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help =
would be much appreciated.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I do hope that =
all is well with you and yours. We are not doing badly and so far =
the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but taking super precautions =
including face masks.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cheers<br =
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