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Re: BOP / Really , Really Small

To: tigers@autox.team.net, Rick_Fedorchak_at_750@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: BOP / Really , Really Small
From: Keith Bradshaw <bradshaw@utdallas.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:39:10 -0500
Rick:             
         Re:
         
         >>>>>>>"Actually there is a "p".  A few Tempests came with the 215 
aluminum
         engine">>>>>>
         
         Hmmm.   _I_ sure don't remember PontiacTempests having a "215" v-8.  
Slant
         four, "rope" driveshaft, and transaxle,........ yes.    215 
v-8.......???
         But hey, if that's true then which did Pontiac use ? The Olds or Buick 
motor ?

I don't know whick motor they used but R&T in one of their collection of 
stories has an
article by one of their authors who was driving a 356 Porsche but due to family 
etc.
had to go to a larger car.  He finally settled on a swing axle rope drive V-8 
Tempest.
He liked the car and the carrying capacity...I think he traded in the 356.

I also see in my reference stuff, that they offered the 326 iron V-8 in 1963. 
I had heard that was the reason they dropped the rope drive and transaxle for 
1964.
         
         >>>>>>>>". also the bellhousing pattern and some of the the other 
engine
         features were
         shared amongst "p" cars so it isn't incorrect to refer to them as BPOE
         afterall" >>>>>>>>>>>
         
         Agreed,  _IF_ you're talking about the "accessories" ( the 
transmission /
         common bell housing bolt pattern coming to mind specifically ) and not 
the
         engines themselves.  Buick, Olds, and Pontiac _engines_  are distinctly
         different.
         
         >>>>>>>>>My info says Tempest slant 4 is 470lbs (yikes!).>>>>>>>>>>>>
         
         ...... You'd need _ another_ four cylinders just to pull that weight 
around
         ! ..............   Hey, do all the go fast parts available for the 389 
fit
         in the 194 ??

Mickey Thompson, in a I believe the Challenger series cars had a super Aero 
body build for a 
rail to go for several STOCK world speed limits.  He apparently had to use 
parts only from the
manufacturer.  So he used on a Pontiac 421 with two turbos. Now I think he got 
these from the Chevy Corvair,
or Olds Jetfire.  
However, he also built up a 4 bbl turbocharged 194 4 cylinder and set records 
with that and 
I believe the 194 had a 4 barrell option.
         
         >>>>>>>>"I'd agree that the 289/302 (at 460lbs) is a nice light, 
compact
         package.  In a practical sense the Ford has far greater HP potential 
because
         of the availability and lower cost of performance goodies (at least 
here in
         the States).">>>>>>>>>>>>>>
         
         Definitely.  Also I might add, practical from the standpoint of being 
more
         durable ( good ol cast iron does have some inherent advantages ) and 
less
         stressed due to another 75 to 90 inches more displacement over the 215.
         
         Hey, has anybody put anything like a late model Nissan V-6 and 5 speed 
in an
         Alpine ??  

One thing I found, driving a 510 and reading the Web page is just about all the 
Datsun 4 cylinder
engines and transmissions every made bolt up in any combination.  A popular 
swap was putting a 2.2 l truck engine
in a  70 510 as it would bolt to the transmission. Or putting a 5 speed into an 
early 510.
Some people bolted the 240Z series 6 cylinder in also.  This might be an easier 
swap than
the V-6.


mBrad

         
                                                                                
     
                                                                       
         
         

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