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Re: Alpine or Tiger II?

To: "david duncanson" <catsclaws@classic.msn.com>,
Subject: Re: Alpine or Tiger II?
From: "Bill and Carol Rogers" <milward@gte.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:47:12 -0800
David:  I think you will find that an Alpine Gold Cup (Coupe d'Or) was
awarded for winning three Alpine Cups (Coupe des Alpes).  These were
achieved not necessarily for winning, but for "cleaning" the event ie no
road or time test penalties.  In the XK120 and Sunbeam Talbot Alpine days
of Stirling  and Ian Appleyard several cars would gain Coupes des Alpes. 
Coupes winners shared the prize money!  Later on outright and class winners
were named.
Bill Rogers

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> From: david duncanson <catsclaws@classic.msn.com>
> To: Anita Barrett <anitabrt@mindspring.com>; Anita Barrett
<anitabrt@mindspring.com>; tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: Alpine or Tiger II?
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 8:33 PM
> 
> Well !
> This is a story that's been going around for some time 
> Tigers sold on the European continent were badged "Alpine 260" or "Alpine
289"
> Some people say that's it was because "Mershershmitt" had the copyright
to the 
> word "Tiger"
> Piffle!
> Very few "tigers" were sold to the then West German market 
> And the supposed copyright of a German manufacturer wouldn't have held
much 
> fear For the then Rootes Group 
> The reason that the cars were badged Alpine 
> Was simply that the Rootes company thought that this would be a better
selling 
> feature for the car 
> The name "Alpine " was linked with the toughest European rally
> And the original "alpine" under the guise of Stirling Moss had proved
that the 
> products of the Coventry based company were to be relied on! ------Moss
was 
> one of only two drivers in the history of the "Alpine Rally" to win a
gold cup 
> 
> In his sunbeam Talbot alpine
> {awesome that our own Jane wignall repeated the feat some 3 years ago in
her 
> sunbeam tiger}
> so what's a gold cup ? well it's 3 consecutive wins in the same gruelling

> endurance event
> anyway I digress ---------- if you look at "Taylor's" book (page138) you
will 
> see a picture of Andrew Cowans tiger , the car is parked at a gas station
in 
> preparation for the "Monte Carlo" Rally 1966 ...........
> look at the fender and you will clearly see the badge "Alpine"
> again on page 139!
> my own car ---- the sister car to "Cowans" is the newly rebodied
"AHP294B" 
> -----that is a 64 registration with a late 65 body 
> i.e. square doors, bonnet etc----- it is also badged "Alpine 260"
> this indicates that "European" Tigers were sold as "Alpines"
> as both these cars were taken fully finished from the production line at 
> Jensen
> from my archive material it is plain to see that the tiger was always
going to 
> be called the "Alpine260/289" 0n the European continent.
> 
> (some avid readers will now recognise the futility of suggesting that
those 
> who reside in the UK have ever deemed themselves "European)
> if some of you are now starting to recognise the "skulduggery" employed
by the 
> factory competition dept then I would suggest you look at page 142 of
Taylor's 
> book 
> well its another 64 registered factory tiger _______ ADU 311B taking part
in 
> the Acropolis Rally (mid1966!)
> this time its badged tiger and its round cornered door and bonnet--
> fine --- but I have the colour pictures of this event and its blue with a

> black top  ?????
> the point is that the original car was red and white top!!!!!!
> Ok so you can get different colour hardtops but you can't convince me
that the 
> competition dept got bored one day and decided to change the colour of
the car 
> ?
>  Anyway the car exists to this day and I have seen it ----- there are no 
> indications that the colour has been changed nor the fenders (which
originally 
> had large cut-outs)  
>  So all these mysteries continue and you'll just have to read about them
in 
> the "Book" due out Spring next year !
> In the meantime I'm starting a new club called the "alpine260"
register------ 
> no converted Tigers to Alpines will be allowed
> "Cats" all for now!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tigers@autox.team.net  On Behalf Of Anita Barrett
> Sent: 29 October 1997 01:44
> To:   tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject:      Alpine or Tiger II?
> 
> Tiger Folks,
>         All this Alger talk reminded me of 1970.  It happened that my
> 67 Tiger II burned out the resistor that was part of the alternator
> circuit.  I had no Idea what ohms it was susposed to be and no parts
> were available from Chrysler as they were already trying to kill the
> @#$! Ford powered Sunbeam after they bought Sunbeam.  It happened that
> I saw a White Sunbeam with three stripes down the side.
> It was in the same parking lot where I was working.
> It said "Alpine" but no where did it say "Tiger".  It did have two
> tail pipes and the rounded headlight rims of a Tiger II.  By leaving
>  a note on the windshield I was able to get in contact with the owner
> who turned out to be a nice lady.  I explained that I needed to measure
> the resistor on her car and she agreeded. It turned out that she 
> had a 1967 Tiger II ,  except there was nowhere to be found the word
> "Tiger".  I asked her about this and she said she had bought it new
> in France and in France they did not allow the "Tiger" script. 
>  She had just returned from France with the "Alpine/Tiger?"
> 
> The resistor was 15 ohms which I replaced with a non-automotive
> power resistor that is still good 27 years later.
> 
> Tiger IIs have the Chrysler Penta-Star mounted in a certain location. 
>  I don't remember if the White "Alpine/Tiger/" had the Penta-Star.
> 
> Has any one else ran across a "Tiger" originally sold in France?
> Or some other place besides USA and England?
> 
> Jim Barrett Tiger II 351C and others
> 
> 

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